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bob jenkins Thu Mar 22, 2007 07:09pm
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Originally Posted by tomegun
This is entirely possible. However, at their level they get surprised by very little.
Yes, but this play was not only unique, it was very unique. (said to annoy Mr. Grammer Person (written to annoy Ms. Spelling Person)).

I think they saw it, said, "WTF?" and then it was too late.

Heck, even here with some review, we can't agree on what the call should be.

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Bob, do you really try to avoid conflict that much?
???

Camron Rust Thu Mar 22, 2007 07:11pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
That's great to know; I think I mentioned that in an earlier response to Tomegun.
But in this case that's pure nonsense. He jumped straight up off 2-feet. The offensive player move to the other side of the rim. Cain grabbed the rim and swung back to make a play on the ball.
That's not what others are claiming. They've claimed that he was sailing away from the shooter and grabbed the rim to change directions.

tomegun Fri Mar 23, 2007 07:02am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

???

I thought I made my question perfectly clear. Many of your posts come from a non confrontational point of view. It is almost as if you want to get involved as little as possible regardless of what the right thing to do might be.

bob jenkins Fri Mar 23, 2007 07:58am
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Originally Posted by tomegun
I thought I made my question perfectly clear.
You didn't.

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Many of your posts come from a non confrontational point of view.
Part of that's the moderator's job, part of that is that I'll give my opinion and/or state the facts as I see them and move on. I see no point in the coinstant bickering and back-and-forth that goes on.
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It is almost as if you want to get involved as little as possible regardless of what the right thing to do might be.
The right thing according to whom? If it's the "right thing according to you" then I take it as the highest compliment that I don't do it.

Now, which of these smileys means "you're an effin a-hole but I can deny I said it because I used a smiley?"

mick Fri Mar 23, 2007 08:09am
"Beware the fury of a patient man." John Dryden

Jurassic Referee Fri Mar 23, 2007 08:28am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Now, which of these smileys means "you're an effin a-hole but I can deny I said it because I used a smiley?"
LOL....now you're getting the idea.

tomegun Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:53am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
The right thing according to whom? If it's the "right thing according to you" then I take it as the highest compliment that I don't do it.
You know, that is cute and all - I dig the whole fury of the moderator thing and all that jazz. The only problem is I wasn't so much talking about what you say as far as the board is concerned as I was talking about what you would do on the court. Your main problem barking up this tree is I'm not an internet official. I am more than capable of backing up anything I say on the court. I don't give a rat's A$$ if you can type it, do you have the intestinal fortitude to do it on the court?

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Now, which of these smileys means "you're an effin a-hole but I can deny I said it because I used a smiley?"
Now you're standing up for yourself! :D I didn't know you had it in you.
Being an a-hole on the court is often necessary because what we do isn't always popular. I don't look to take the path of least resistance, I choose the path that is right for the game. I know I'm not an a-hole off the court so you don't have to deny you ever called me anything.

I was just concerned about all this mansy pansy, "I don't know if I would call a .....yada yada" (not a direct quote) BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at the play, judge the play and move the h3ll on. Often, being a nice guy to one team, player or coach means you are sticking it to the other team, player or coach.

This was fun, we should do it again sometime. :D

tomegun Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:01am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
It's entirely possible that the officials were surprised, couldn't think of an explanation for a call, so didn't make one ("don't make a cal you can't explain")
BTW, this is the words deleted by poster comment that prompted my question. Everyone misses/blows calls - they don't need a virtual shoulder rub. I don't think we were accusing them of a crime; we were just discussing the play after seeing the video.

Looking into my crystal ball, and thinking of past events, I predict a parting shot from Mr. Jenkins and then the thread will be locked.

bob jenkins Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:18am
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Originally Posted by tomegun
BTW, this is the words deleted by poster comment that prompted my question. Everyone misses/blows calls - they don't need a virtual shoulder rub. I don't think we were accusing them of a crime; we were just discussing the play after seeing the video.

Looking into my crystal ball, and thinking of past events, I predict a parting shot from Mr. Jenkins and then the thread will be locked.
I stand by my original statement.

tomegun Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:27am
It's entirely possible that the officials were surprised, couldn't think of an explanation for a call, so didn't make one ("don't make a cal you can't explain")

Aren't the words in pink your original statement?

bob jenkins Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by tomegun
It's entirely possible that the officials were surprised, couldn't think of an explanation for a call, so didn't make one ("don't make a cal you can't explain")

Aren't the words in pink your original statement?
Yes. :confused:

I stand by my "I stand by my original statement" statement. :mad:

I really don't know WTF you are asking.

AFAIK, there were two questions in this thread:

1) What should the correct call have been? I have no opinion on this. I didn't see the play and it's been debated ad nauseum here.

2) Why didn't the officials make a call? Options:

a) there was no call to make (see question 1)
b) they didn't see it
c) they were surprised by the play and an explanation did not spring immediately to mind. We are all taught it's better to miss something that happened rather than call something that didn't happen. A "that looked ugly so it had to be something" call (that turns out to be wrong) is going to be a major black mark on an official.

I'm only suggesting that option C is a reasonable explanation for the no-call.

I don't really give a dam* whether you think it is or not.

rockyroad Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by tomegun
You know, that is cute and all - I dig the whole fury of the moderator thing and all that jazz. The only problem is I wasn't so much talking about what you say as far as the board is concerned as I was talking about what you would do on the court. Your main problem barking up this tree is I'm not an internet official. I am more than capable of backing up anything I say on the court. I don't give a rat's A$$ if you can type it, do you have the intestinal fortitude to do it on the court?



Now you're standing up for yourself! :D I didn't know you had it in you.
Being an a-hole on the court is often necessary because what we do isn't always popular. I don't look to take the path of least resistance, I choose the path that is right for the game. I know I'm not an a-hole off the court so you don't have to deny you ever called me anything.

I was just concerned about all this mansy pansy, "I don't know if I would call a .....yada yada" (not a direct quote) BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at the play, judge the play and move the h3ll on. Often, being a nice guy to one team, player or coach means you are sticking it to the other team, player or coach.

This was fun, we should do it again sometime. :D
And it seems that your main problem here is that you ARE judging someone else to be an internet official without having any knowledge of that persons true ability (true identity just sounded too comic-bookish to use here)...you have done that before on this board. Those of us who "know" Bob know his accomplishments and admire him for them...there was a question asked, he gave his answer, and you didn't like it because it wasn't something you could ague or b!tch about...tough. It was a good answer...

Jurassic Referee Fri Mar 23, 2007 01:25pm
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Originally Posted by tomegun
Now you're standing up for yourself! :D I didn't know you had it in you.
Being an a-hole on the court is often necessary because what we do isn't always popular. I don't look to take the path of least resistance, I choose the path that is right for the game. I know I'm not an a-hole off the court so you don't have to deny you ever called me anything.

I was just concerned about all this mansy pansy, "I don't know if I would call a .....yada yada" (not a direct quote) BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at the play, judge the play and move the h3ll on. Often, being a nice guy to one team, player or coach means you are sticking it to the other team, player or coach.

This was fun, we should do it again sometime. :D
I get it. If I call you a f***ing azzhole, then I'm a great official. I don't really know whether I can agree with that logic or not, but in the hope of improving as an official, I'll give it a try.

Tom, you're a f***ing azzhole.

Whoaaaaaa......it works.

Whee, me.

tomegun Fri Mar 23, 2007 01:35pm
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Originally Posted by rockyroad
And it seems that your main problem here is that you ARE judging someone else to be an internet official without having any knowledge of that persons true ability (true identity just sounded too comic-bookish to use here)...you have done that before on this board. Those of us who "know" Bob know his accomplishments and admire him for them...there was a question asked, he gave his answer, and you didn't like it because it wasn't something you could ague or b!tch about...tough. It was a good answer...
If you look back over this thread you will see that many others gave their opinion of the play before we heard the soft/unconfrontational/reaching opinion so a differing opinion isn't my problem at all.

I KNOW their are some internet officials among us; I don't think I said Bob was one, I think I said I'm not one. Let me also say this, and it has nothing to do with Bob specifically. It would be a mistake to automatically assume accomplishments equal ability. Like I said, so you don't twist it later, that has nothing to do specifically with Bob. If you really know Bob, that is cool, but I hope you really know him when you say that and not just communicate with him through a discussion board. I've said that before and I still believe it.

tomegun Fri Mar 23, 2007 01:40pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
I get it. If I call you a f***ing azzhole, then I'm a great official. I don't really know whether I can agree with that logic or not, but in the hope of improving as an official, I'll give it a try.

Tom, you're a f***ing azzhole.

Whoaaaaaa......it works.

Whee, me.
I would like to think you are only having some fun - like me, but I don't see where you are getting this from. I never said that anyone was a good, great or better official for calling me an a-hole. Also, I never said that anyone was a good, great or better official for being an a-hole on the court. What I said, and I quote myself, "Being an a-hole on the court is often necessary because what we do isn't always popular." You might like to call it an a-hole, jerk, prick or anything else, but can you say this statement isn't true?


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