Fan Interference with Breakway Layup

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by RookieDude
Correct me if I'm wrong...but doesn't it state somewhere in the rule book that we are not to award points in basketball?

Just wondering

Dude

Points are "awarded" by rule for basket interference and
goal tending. As of tonight they are awarded by convention
when a fan runs out of the stands and tackles a player on
a clear breakaway!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Oz Referee

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IMHO I believe the only action that could be taken, within the rules, is to stop play, reset the shot clock and grant a throw in to Team A. At this point it would probably be a good idea to explain your ruling to both coaches. Have the spectator removed, eithered by court management, or by security/police.

Reset the shot clock? Why in heavens's name do that?!
If you're gonna do nothing then do nothing.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Points are "awarded" by rule for basket interference and
goal tending. As of tonight they are awarded by convention
when a fan runs out of the stands and tackles a player on
a clear breakaway! [/B]

I agree with your principle, although from the rule book I'm not sure it's legal. Let's get you onto the committee so when it happens to me, we can give the points.!!!

[Oz Referee]

Under FIBA rules (feel free to heckle now ) if the referee's stop play for any reason that is not caused by the offensive team, the shot clock is to be reset. Some examples are: injury to any official, change of ball due to it deflating, replacing equipment (whistle, hoop etc).

The reasoning is that the offensive team has been inadvertently punished by the stoppage, as they may have had the defense on the "back foot", so they shouldn't be punished further by allowing the defense to reset itself, and by playing with less time on the shot clock.

Personally I think it makes a lot of sense.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
Under FIBA rules (feel free to heckle now ) if the referee's stop play for any reason that is not caused by the offensive team, the shot clock is to be reset. Some examples are: injury to any official, change of ball due to it deflating, replacing equipment (whistle, hoop etc).

The reasoning is that the offensive team has been inadvertently punished by the stoppage, as they may have had the defense on the "back foot", so they shouldn't be punished further by allowing the defense to reset itself, and by playing with less time on the shot clock.

Personally I think it makes a lot of sense.

Whoa. You mean there's actually a case play for when a ball
deflates during play??? Man, you guys are good!

Anyway, I don't like it. Potentially gives the offense an
entire new shot clock period they did not earn.
Disadvantage to the defense.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by rainmaker

I agree with your principle, although from the rule book I'm not sure it's legal. Let's get you onto the committee so when it happens to me, we can give the points.!!! [/B]

Wait, wait, wait. This is Tony's idea, not mine! Let him
sit on the committee! But you have my permission to use
this new rule whenever "crazy Joe" decides he's gotta be a
part of the game. If they don't like it T 'em all up!

[Oz Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Whoa. You mean there's actually a case play for when a ball
deflates during play??? Man, you guys are good!

Anyway, I don't like it. Potentially gives the offense an
entire new shot clock period they did not earn.
Disadvantage to the defense. [/B]

I suppose the issue is whether it is better to possibly disavantage the offense or the defense. For example, say there is 3 seconds left on the shot clock, and the referee dislocates a knee and can't contiue. Play is stopped and the referee replaced. Should the shot clock be reset? (FIBA says yes). Now in this situation there are two possibilites:

1. The defense has spent the last 21 seconds playing great "d" and it looks like it is unlikely that the offense would have got a "decent" shot off. Resetting the shot clock clearly disadvantages the defense.

on the other hand:

2. The offense has just successfully broken the defensive pressure, and the stopage of play has allowed the defense to regroup and probably hold out for the next 3 seconds. Here the offense is obviously disadvantaged.

There is no easy answer, and it would be a nightmare to call on a case-by-case basis, therefor FIBA has ruled that in ALL cases, the shot clock gets reset. This goes with the general principle that the offense has the benefit of the doubt in most cases.

I would like to know how everyone else would handle such a situation, as by the sounds of things, the NFHS/NCAA rules don't cover this.

[DanIvey]

Originally posted by Oz Referee

I would like to know how everyone else would handle such a situation, as by the sounds of things, the NFHS/NCAA rules don't cover this. [/B]

I have done some college level games but now just do H.S. boys basketball games. We don't have a shot clock for H.S. boys so therefore I wouldn't have to worry about reseting anything.

But, if we did have a shot clock I would have to agree with Oz...Reset the shot clock, Have the jerk that tackled the player removed from the gym,
Give the Team that was offended the ball for a throw at the spot of the "foul", and play on.

Dan

P.S.
I would almost bet that I'll have a ball deflate before I have someone come out of the stands and tackle a player going for a lay up.

[Dan_ref]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DanIvey

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P.S.
I would almost bet that I'll have a ball deflate before I have someone come out of the stands and tackle a player going for a lay up.

Hey Dan, what happens if someone comes out of the stands
and deflates the ball??!!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by RookieDude
Correct me if I'm wrong...but doesn't it state somewhere in the rule book that we are not to award points in basketball?

Don't pose the question. If you think that's true, look it up and post the reference. Don't ask someone to find evidence to back up your stand.

[jshock]

For those of you who are sceptical concerning the fan tackling a player on a breakway layup, it actually happened in a NFHS game. I was not on the game but spoke to the offical who was.

[DrC.]

Maybe this was the same gym that the Coach carried the gun.
now we know why !!!)

Too bad we can't have a penalty layup like hockey. Give em the ball at the Division line and with everybody watching, see if they could make the layup.

I think you have to tell the coach, sorry but we'll give you the ball back and hopefully you'll make a 3 pointer.

What if Johnny is going in for a layup and his litte 3 year old brother comes running on the court to greet him or rolls his ball in from of him. Are you going to penalize a 3 year old?. Then you have him crying and a Mom upset at you.

[Richard Ogg]

I hate it when young children roll a ball on the court during the game....

[BOBBYMO]

This same play was just on ESPN last week. The only difference was that on a fast break the player ran over the ballboy who was out wiping up some water that was on the floor. Did anyone else see this highlight??? I just heard about it and didn't see it myself and have no idea what the Ref's decision was. If anyone else saw this please let us know what the outcome was. It happened in a D-1 mens game.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by BOBBYMO
This same play was just on ESPN last week. The only difference was that on a fast break the player ran over the ballboy who was out wiping up some water that was on the floor. Did anyone else see this highlight??? I just heard about it and didn't see it myself and have no idea what the Ref's decision was. If anyone else saw this please let us know what the outcome was. It happened in a D-1 mens game.

Just saw it on tonight's news. The game was Atlanta at Cleveland, Atlanta goes for the layup, bumps into the ballboy, and made the layup - so all we have to go on is a "no-call."