Scenario: As A1 & A2 position to set a double screen, they lock arms to prevent B1 from maintaining a closely-guarded position on A3. B1 sees the screen and either makes contact or goes around the screen.

Remedy: Call a technical foul and charge it to Team A. Award 2 free throws to Team B. NF 10-1-11

Question: Who gets the "T"??? NF 10-1-11 Penalty

could you just call an illegal screen(foul)? and if so try to assess the foul on the second screener. i.e. a2 gets in position to set screen then a3 comes over and locks up with a2. call illegal screen on a3.
just a thought.

Just going off memory but isn't this a team T, indirect to the coach? I think the case sitch deals with this on an inbound play.

You just answered your own question. :) Section 1 of Rule 10 is titled "Team Technical". This is charged to the team, and is not charged indirectly to the coach.

Chuck

Look at the topics of all the sections under rule 10. THe topic tells you who gets the technical.

Section 1 - Team
Section 2 - Substitute
Section 3 - Player
Section 4 - Bench
Section 5 - Coach

Team technical. No individuals and No Coaches get a mark next to their name. Just the team has one more added toward the bonus. Shoot the T's. Ball at division line across from table..

Under NCAA rules, this seems to be a simple personal foul.

Rule 10-20 (which is in the part of Rule 10 devoted to personal fouls)
Art. 7. Screeners shall not line up next to each other within 6 feet of a boundary line and parallel to it so that contact occurs.
a. Screeners shall be permitted to line up parallel to a boundary line and next to each other without locking arms or grasping each other, provided that the screen is set at least 6 feet from that boundary line.

Is that a correct interpretation by me?

If you are correct, who gets charged with the personal foul?

Whoever is responsible for the contact. If there is contact with both team A players at approximately the same time, then we have a multiple foul (real, not false---see Rule 4-26.12) and B1 shoots 2 free throws regardless of whether B is in the bonus (see Rule 10-21.2.a.2) unless one of the fouls by A is judged intentional or flagrant.

Of course, I'm not at all sure that this is a personal foul.

A multiple foul? I think we'll see an NCAA official call a foul "over the back" before we see a multiple called!!

Lotto check your rule quote you list it says when screeners do not lock arms. the original post states players locked arms... I havent checked NCAA rules but my guess is something like NF that since screeners arms locked is listed then it is worse that a personal foul

Kelvin, the section of the rule book I quoted is from the part of Rule 10 devoted to personal fouls. The rules there are all of the form "A player shall not..." so I read the statement "Screeners shall be permitted to line up parallel to a boundary line and next to each other without locking arms..." as indicating that locking arms *is* a personal foul (just as all of the other prohibited behaviors listed there are personal fouls).

So far as I can tell, locking arms isn't mentioned anywhere else in the NCAA rules.

Now I see where you are going with this makes more sens now, Thanks

Tim Roden wrote about Team Technicals,

On this subject, when a Coach gets a Technical Foul does this count toward the Bonus?

Also...situation: 4 players from Team A go on the court during a fight...
2 Players from Team B go on the court for the fight...
None participate in the fight...

How would this be administered?
Free Throws, Fouls, Ejections, and Number toward the Bonus.

Dude

(1) Yes. All fouls in NFHS count toward the team total (and, thus, bonus). In NCAA, all direct T's (including those on the coach) count toward the team total.

(2) NFHS -- The six players are ejected. Both Coach A and Coach B get one indirect T. One foul is added to each team total. B shoots two throws (since the number of players was unequal) and B gets the ball for a throw-in.

NCAA -- the six players are ejected. No Ts, no throws. Play resumes just as it would had the six not left the bench.

Thanks, Bob, for your reply:

But, you stated in NF rules every foul goes toward the bonus.
Therfore, wouldn't every player that got a flagrant technical foul have their fouls go toward the bonus...not just one per team as you stated?

Also, I thought if Team A had 2 players go on the court and Team b had 4 players go on the court...there would be a difference of 2 players...therfore 2 shots per player--4 technical foul shots? Am I correct?

Dude

Dude,each player off the bench gets a flagrant T,and all these T's count towards the bonus,or double bonus.Case Book 4-19-12 covers this.As for the shots,if the participants are unequal and fight,2 free throws are awarded for each additional player.I think the same is true if they come off the bench and don't fight.

Thank you Jurassic...that's what I thought!

No -- the penalties if the players come off the bench and fight are different from the penalties if the players come off the bench and don't fight.

If the players come off the bench and fight, 10-4-1h applies -- each is charged with a flagrant T, ejected and the team foul total increased for each flagrant T. In our example, that's 4 for A and 2 for B. The head coach also gets an indirect for each of these -- so coach A is ejected and B remains (assuming he hasn't received / doesn't receive another T). Two throws are shot for each T that's not offset -- so B will get 4 throws.

If the players come off the bench and don't fight, 10-4-4 applies. Each player gets a flagrant and is ejected, but only one T is administered and charged indirectly to the head coach. Each team total increases by 1. Since the number of players doesn't offset, B will shoot the throws for 1 T (2 throws). This will happen whether A has 3, or 4, or 10 players off the bench (as long as they don't participate).

Bob,the casebook play I cited specifically refers to a penalty for 10-4-4,not 10-1h.I think you have to put all the T's in the book for bonus calculation if the players come on the floor and don't fight.On the 2nd part,I said "I think" because the wording in the book was a little vague to me.I'm not surprised at being corrected.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:28 AM]

You are right -- in both cases (bench personnel fight, bench personnel don't fight) all the T's go to the team total. But, only 1 indirect is assessed the coach and a maximum of two throws are shot (assuming no other complications) if the bench personnel don't fight.

Thanks for the reference. It's now been a good day, since I learned something.