Logos on the floors
 

How many people have observed players slip on the logo stickers that are placed over the center circle and sometimes on the endlines of the courts for tournaments?
Nevada lost their best perimeter defender to a hamstring injury sustained from this in the first game of the conference tournament. He did not play in their loss in the next game.
Nevada's coach and the WAC conference commissioner disagreed over the safety of these decals.

So what is the opinoin of people on here?
Are these a hazard or are they safe?
Should the NCAA people examine this more closely?

From the Reno Gazette Journal on March 9:

"The letdown only came when starting guard Kyle Shiloh suffered a hamstring injury in the final six minutes of the Wolf Pack's 88-56 win over Idaho in a quarterfinal game of the Western Athletic Conference tournament on Thursday afternoon.
Nevada advanced to a semifinal game against Utah State at 5 p.m. today and might have to play the game without Shiloh, a three-year starter, after he slipped on the WAC logo at mid-court.
"He's probably done for the week," said Nevada coach Mark Fox, who was critical of the large logos that are common in postseason Division I basketball. "We do have a deep team. We have a very deep team, but he's a terrific player.""

I've never personally seen such an injury. But the logos are unnecessary to the game, so I wouldn't care if they went away.

Does the NCAA have different rules than NFHS as far as the division line? From the TV screen it appears that there is no requirement for a 1/4" shadow line for either the center restraining circle or the division line.

Same rule, and they all (well, all the D-1 schools) have it.

The rules may be worded a little differently, but they are essentially the same requirements. The center line may be a solid line, a broken line, or a "shadow-bordered" line (1-5-2). Any name, logo or abbreviation may be on the court "provided they do not obscure any of the required lines" (1-16-4).

The shadow lines are there, I'm sure, but are sometimes very difficult to see on TV.

A little off point but.....if Shiloh is a starter and Nevada is such a deep team....why is he playing towards the end of a 30 point win? In a conference tourney where you are going to play on consecutive days? Hey coach, use some of that depth.

NCAA requires a division line. As some have pointed out, it can be pretty difficult to see on TV. Per NCAA rules, a technical foul is actually assessed if the floor does not have a division line that complies with the rules.

A.R. 200. Team A and Team B are playing each other on Team D’s home court in a tournament hosted by Team D. Team C will play Team D immediately after A’s and B’s game. There is no continuous division line or center circle on the playing court.
RULING: Neither Team A nor Team B shall be assessed an indirect technical foul but, when Team D plays Team C, Team D, when the situation still exists, shall be assessed an indirect technical foul to begin the game since it is the home team. Only the home team shall be responsible for having a center circle and division line on its home playing court. Team C will shoot two free throws and the game shall start with a jump ball.

My initial thought exactly. Kinda the same mentality that got Hansborough's nose broken. :D

Not exactly.

Apples & Oranges.

We have a Juco school that has no center line where the logo is, but in the 4 years I was at the rival Juco, they never got T'd up.

Would you officials actually call this on your own, or only if a rule-knowing coach brought it up?

That's not really a legit criticism in this case. Fox was rotating the players throughout the entire game against the worst team in the conference. Shiloh just happened to get injured during his turn. All of the starters were probably going to come out at the five minute mark or the final media time-out with under four remaining.

From the same article:

"The Nevada bench contributed a season-high 42 points in Thursday's game. The bench's previous high had been 40 points in an 85-62 win over Alaska-Anchorage in the season opener Nov. 10.
"This is the first time they've played as a group for extended periods of time," Fox said. "Usually, they're surrounded with some experience. I was really pleased they were able to get some minutes and string them together."
The bench play made it possible for Fox to limit his starters' playing minutes.
Sessions and Kemp played 24 minutes apiece. Fazekas and Shiloh played 20 minutes each and Denis Ikovlev had 18 minutes."

Logos and karate chops.

For those of you who saw the final seconds of the D2 championship game, just as Barton makes the steal, take a look at the only Winona defender who has a chance of making a play. What happens? He slips on the center court logo, trying to change directions to get back on D.

Uncontested layup for the win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WzmQmz9Kdc

Geeze, Scrappy, what do you expect in some God-forsaken place like Springfield, MASS.? They're all heathens and BoSox fans up there.

Yes, I saw that.....and as I was pulling for WSU it was a big deal. Winona is about 45 miles from where I live.

During the quarter or semi, it's hard to remember cause I've been watching so much ball on TV, they gave WSU's opponent foul shots on a team control foul. No one said anything from the WSU bench. Malvik was dribbling, either tried on purpose or got luck, but the ball bounced between the defender's legs, then he got called for a push on the ensuing loose ball. The defensive team never gained team control, yet they got to shoot free throws. Oops....

Same problem again this year.
PTI had Roy Williams on the show today and there was a segment about the NCAA removing the logos from the floor after North Carolina and some other teams had problems with players slipping on them. The program showed several clips of UNC players falling on these logos and Williams complaining. The interview made it sound as if the NCAA is removing the logos due to his urging, but that they won't actually state that he is the reason behind it. Williams doesn't really care as long as the logos are gone for the upcoming games.

If there is a history of players being injured as a result of slipping on unnecessary logos, especially that affects the result in any game, let alone a D2 national final, they gotta go.

I just find the entire logo issue fascinating.

I mean, how can anyone from "the committee" watch these games, see the players slipping, sliding and falling, and actually think - these logos are a good idea, justified, not an issue, and need to remain throughout the tournament and at future venues. Absurd!

When I saw all the slipping last year, I thought for sure it wouldn't be an issue this year. When the logos were back, I figured they had determined a way to make them more similar to the floor.

Apparently not. They need to go. :confused:

The logos have been removed for this weekend's games.

If the had put a small 2' logo at the center circle like they did for years, It probably wouldn't have been an issue.

But the size of those things was absolutely ridiculous.

I actually heard Roy say something that made sense in the PTI interview - with today's technology, surely they could super-impose the logo on the floor, or even on his face if they needed to, without having to change the floor itself.

But then the fans in the arena would lose the benefit of knowing what event they were attending.

Hmm, you're right; hadn't thought of that.

Especially if they miss the logos already on the scoreboards, jumbotrons, score table, officials' shirts, banners, programs, drink cups, popcorn boxes, and the 30-some other items I'm forgetting to mention...

There's no need to get sarcastic about it. Sheeesh!

Don't forget the player's jerseys (just in case they forget too). :eek:

Did you see the report from the opening round game in Dayton about the player who had to switch jerseys and wear another number because his normal shirt didn't have the NCAA logo patch affixed to it?

It's true.

I guess I need a new television :eek: That darn logo must have burned the image into my set, since it seems to be in the middle of the court every time they go up and down tonight in the Washington State game. :D

Not true. That's not the same decal that was used last weekend. Those have been disposed of. These are new and much smaller than those from the 1st and 2nd round.

That makes no sense. The logo patch is simply a stick-on adhesive patch. No need to change shirts, just find a different patch.

Logos do look different, seem to have more of a shine to them. Are they actually covered in polyurethane like the rest of the floor?

It would appear that these floors were made specifically for the NCAA Tourney. The two floors are identical except for the location and host school logos.

Makes sense. I wonder how much the NCAA or whoever shells out for those floors?

Except in my locale where a juco has an illegal center circle. :p (Of course, the head of officials may have said not to call this unless a coach makes too much of a stink).

The real stupid thing the NCAA has done is putting the bench players at eye level with the floor in the pit. While it may be better to keep the benches away from the court and sitting, it seems to dull the intensity of a game for some reason.

I bet these floors return next year, same color. They'll just stick them in a warehouse somewhere. Long term investment there. The logos last night were shiny, and part of the floor.

Where I come from, we paint the logo's on the court.

Did the NCAA or whatever you americans call it ever think of that?

* no offense is intended, I'm just highlighting the fact that I come from Australia.

Never qualify your jokes...just let them hang out there until someone gets offended and starts railing at you....then you respond saying it was a joke. At least that's how we do it here in America.

and how do you do the floors?

We paint the floors here, just like you do. However, for special events, at which the logo is only going to be needed for a day or two, the NCAA has large decals which can be laid on the court and stick there. They can then be easily removed later without damaging the floor's finish underneath. Unfortunately, the decals can also become slippery.

Actually floor painting is considered skilled labor down under so they have to get the kangaroos to do it.

(No offense, just a joke.)

I don't know but I'd bet it's hundeds of thousands, which would bring up the question, "Why don't they spend a tenth of that for Precision Timing?" :confused:

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