LSU game offensive foul
 

ESPN showed the offensive foul against LSU late in the game where the player and the defender were running on the right side of the court. ESPN replayed it and called it "the worst call of the day". The referee had an angle with the players coming directly at him. Wouldn't you think ESPN could realize that they are looking at it from the TV angle where you cannot tell if the player lowered his shoulder into the defense or not? The official was very confident with his call so I'm inclined to believe the offensive player leaned in and forced the contact and the defense had legal guarding position.

I was on the phone getting my 'mack' on while watching the game. I was immediately like "whoaa" right in the middle of my conversation. But when I saw the replay it's clear the LSU player lowers his shoulder and the Lead on this play had the perfect angle to see between the players and to pick up the defender. And the official did come out very strong and confident with his call.

I agree, I thought it was the right call. ESPN doesn't know sh*t, they just think they do.

I am also sick of Stuart Scott -- hes so 2001.

I totally disagree. I was just waiting for, I believe it was Bert Smith, to come out of there with a block and bang home the "And 1", and was totally puzzled when he did not. I thought the defender at the last second tried to whip his body into position as the offensive player was gathering the ball. I also disagree with him being in a "perfect" position. From his angle he could not really tell whether the player lowered the shoulder, which I also believe the offensive player did no such thing, but that is just my opinion.

did the defender have LGP?

I don't believe the defender ever fully got between the player and the basket. I thought he was more on his hip the whole time.

This is my opinion as well. I don't believe it was the worst call ever but.....damn did he sell that call! I disagree that it was an offensive foul because the defender was moving with the play. He was not stationary. Usually, when the player has an angle to the bucket, and the defender is moving, and it's a very close game. YOU LET EM PLAY! How do you penalize one over the over when they both are moving, there's contact both ways, and I didn't see anybody do anything cheap.

Now here's the gotcha. Did you see the coaches reaction afterwards? With all the antics he did over that call, why didn't he get a technical? I can only imagine what he was saying, and you can bet it was 50x's worse than, you got something against my player!

All irrelevant, but thanks for playing.

While we're talking block/charge
 

7:25 2nd half Bucknell vs Holy Cross

Turnover Bucknell at the top of the key turns into Holy Cross fast break...


opinions?

(There's now 3:00 to go as I post)

I don't remember that play, but the Bucknell coach sure does whine a lot!

And this is a problem because. . .? :confused:

This is a problem because the call was offensive. The defender needs to be set in front of the offensive player. True, you could call a offensive foul from an elbow or a push while both players are moving. However, with the game in the balance, I think the official reach on this one, and I also think if he had it to do over, he would not make that call. All in all, he's probably not going to get another playoff game because of that one call. He certainly won't make the Final Four with end of game judgement like that. He has great mechanics though. Great mechanics plus poor judgement = no more playoff games, imho.

Really???? So, if I have LGP, while sliding laterally w/ an offensive player, and he runs through me, even though he doesn't dip a shoulder or throw an elbow, you're calling a block on me????? You would also then be calling a technical on me as well, I believe. And probably my coach, and the ***'t coach, and ......


No playoffs for you either, IMHO.

A complete lack of understanding of LGP is no surprise here; well said, tmp44. I hate when people say "he wasn't set." No such requirement.

What exactly is a play-off game in NCAA basketball? And how did you determine his 'judgement' was bad? Looked like a good call to me.

(I know, I'm breaking my own "don't respond to Old School" edict :( )

I had been giving Old School the benefit of the doubt. Guess I learned my lesson.

Don't go getting all technical and defensive. Remember I did say this: "True, you could call a offensive foul from an elbow or a push while both players are moving."

Did you recall reading that or did you just read what you wanted to read and ignored the rest. If you're going to comment try to take everything that's said into consideration and not just pick out the parts you don't like to make your point. This is called propaganda, misrepresenting the truth (or what was actually said) for personal gain. Now, do you have a comment on the topic of discussion?

You don't need an elbow or a push to call an offensive foul here. That's the problem with your logic. A defensive player does not need to be "set" in order to draw a run of the mill player control foul. He can be moving to maintain position. Read the rule book on Legal Guarding Position.

What Snaqwells said...and if I recall on an earlier thread, weren't you the one who decided to pick and choose what you read regarding one of my posts? Oh yea, and you said that I didn't deserve playoff games either. Yeesh.

re:
 

In article published in the Baton Rouge (LA) Advocate the day after, the official on that play, Bert Smith, was said to have apologized for the call to Collis Temple Jr. His kid, Garrett Temple, up the offensive foul. Garrett was quoted as saying that another official told him it shouldn't have been a foul. I was watching and thought Bert missed it. I didn't think he had a great angle, but he sold it like a muther.

Old School:

Please read the NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's or FIBA rules books. You will see that: 1) The definitions of both guarding and screening are identical in all three codes; 2) This is a situation where the defensive player is effecting a legal moving screen against the offensive player and the offensive player moved into the defensive player.

MTD, Sr.