Rescinded T
 

Wow, Bobby McRoy just called a T on a player and then rescinded it! 2nd half of UCLA/Cal. It's been quite a while since I've seen anything like that at that level.

I've never seen that in an NCAA game. Did he get it right?

I don't think that it is a question of right or wrong. It was just a strange sitch.
During the dead ball between FTs for UCLA there were subs entering and a UCLA player and a Cal player crossed and bumped in front of the table as they were heading to their benches. The players exchanged words and the Cal player can clearly be seen yapping at the opponent. McRoy is standing nearby and seems to catch the tail end of the exchange. I doubt that he observed the contact. He whistles and T's only the Cal player.
Then there is a quick discussion with a partner and the T is rescinded.

That's what it looked like from the TV. I can't tell you anything else.

Perhaps the partner filled him in on the words or actions that preceeded what McRoy saw/heard....and having the complete picture can change everything.

Of course, that is probably what happened, and I obviously understood that, but I have to wonder how words or actions that are deemed unsporting a few seconds before by an official suddenly become no longer unsporting because of some other info from a partner.

as long as they get the play right, that's all that matters. We will see...

:rolleyes: Do people realize how ridiculous this way of thinking is? Apply this theory to a D1 game and have an ugly situation every game where you "just get it right." Right or wrong, you will be fired.

hmmmmmm let's see speaking of ridiculous...
 

I am pretty sure we are talking about an NCAA game in the OP, or did the PAC 10 drop down to Div II this year and I didn't catch it.....getting it right is the most important thing in the game...yes if you have several games that have ugly situations that you just have to "get right" you may not work as many next year....but if a situation comes up, and you Don't get it right, it is my guess that is more likely to get you fired than getting it right.....

Hmmmmmmm, you just made it more ridiculous!
 

Since we agree that you will get fired, or at least get less games, we should be able to agree that saying that in the middle of March is ridiculous.

Who do you know of that goes out to officiate a game and doesn't intend on getting calls right? How about an official who has another agenda besides getting calls right? Since we know that they want to get calls right, why say that is all that matters like it is a revelation?

nope we don't agree....I said if it happens several times....1 time with an ugly situation won't get you fired. There was an ugly situation earlier this year in a particular MWC game...New Mexico - Wyoming....very ugly, they may or may not have actually gotten everything correct.....I see that the R in that game hasn't worked yet in the MWC tournament....Nope he didn't get fired, he is too busy working the Big 12 tournament.....hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Perhaps it can change.....but I would think towards calling a T on both players rather than taking one back. If the official called the original T based on what he heard/observed and did not catch preceding actions, does that really change anything on the T he called? Of course we won't know the full details since none of us were involved but I find this situation based on what is presented in this thread to be very strange. Maybe he thought he heard a particular word or phrase and was mistaken based on his partner's input but if he wasn't sure why call the T in the first place?

Agreed with what you just said. If the partner came in with additional information he should have had a whistle too OR we will go with a double T personally, I will not recind a Technical.

There's another factor to consider: how many years you've been in "the league." A guy who has been working in the league for 25 years and is one of the assigner's studs, in other words somebody with a long history of generally getting stuff right, will generally survive a screw up with far less consequence than a guy who's been in the league for 3 years and generally has a U somewhere in his job description.

Context is everything
 

Once the crew conferred, i surmise they had two options:

1) T both players
2) T nobody (recind the T)

Since the context (incidental bump that both/one player took exception to) wasn't entirely unsporting, I'm sure that's why they opted for the do over.

The commentators praised the crew (not that their opinion matters!), and I'm sure neither coach would have cared for a double T at that point of the game (not that what they "want" matters either).

"admitting a mistake, can be a sign of strength, not weakness"

...just don't be "stong" too many times!

At first, I thought they had called the double T - which would result in no shots, play resuming from the POI and clueless announcers saying things like "the ref took back the T"...but checking the box score shows there were no T's called, so he did take it back - which is really weird (in a bad way)...

This is what happened
 

The official called a double T
The other official (the R even though it doesn't matter) came in and questioned the call
The calling official waived off the double T

Personally, I don't think the other official should have said anything, but sometimes it is a matter of survival at this level and that is why the call was changed.

The overtime game yesterday also included an inadvertant whistle. The official granted a timeout when the opposite team had the ball. Lesson learned: always make sure the calling team has the ball or the ball is loose after a made basket.


Also, the intentional technical foul was indeed kicked the day before yesterday. Let's just say the situation was rushed (the calling official has championship experience(s)). When we talk about getting together after a technical foul to make sure we all know what we got, it is very beneficial. ;)

tomegun,
Thanks for the details. Evidently, I was incorrect about only the Cal player initially being charged with a T, but as I said this is what it looked like on TV because he only pointed at the Cal player after giving the T sign just once.

It is awesome to get the facts of what happened from those guys. I think it is very big of them and very cool to share and admit their mistakes. In my opinion, it shows real character and class that they don't consider themselves above being questioned. I truly enjoy learning from their experiences. Please pass along my thanks for their openness.

Imagine this:

R sees A1 and B1 near each other and hears A1 say "(mumble, mumble) You're a G#$ D@#! M@##@! F#@^!&# Idiot. (mumble, muble)" Whack.

U1 comes in and tells the R the entire conversation...."Hey, Joe, that wasn't cool last week when Bob said You're a G#$ D@#! M@##@! F#@^!&# Idiot. You're a great guy and it was uncalled for."

While some people might still call a T for profanity, it is certainly not the same. I'm sure I could come up with a profanity free example but I think it adequately draws the picture.

Even if that info lets you know you completely missed the boat on what really happened...that with the whole story there was no T'able action???