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mick Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:34pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
For me, I don't need a coach/captain to ask me to watch anything.

Asking me to "watch for..." implies that it's happening and I'm not calling it.

No thanks.

No reponse at all to that player's statement ?
I'd say something, like "We haven't seen any contact."

jkjenning Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Asking me to "watch for..." implies that it's happening and I'm not calling it.

You can't see everything and having the team captain, or coach, share their view of what might be missed on the floor seems pretty valid. To say "watch for" is different than having them say "why don't you call...".

Junker Thu Mar 08, 2007 01:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick
No reponse at all to that player's statement ?
I'd say something, like "We haven't seen any contact."

I agree. As long as they are asking in an appropriate manner, they deserve an answer. I've used what Mick said on occasion or more often than not just an "OK" will do.

Scrapper1 Thu Mar 08, 2007 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
more often than not just an "OK" will do.

I just say "Ok" and then promptly forget all about it.

BktBallRef Thu Mar 08, 2007 02:03pm

Nobody said they didn't deserve an answer.

I'll give an answer but I'm not going to be real concerned with what it is.

Quite honestly, the coach isn't looking for an answer.

I have no problem saying, "There's no such thing."

BktBallRef Thu Mar 08, 2007 02:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkjenning
You can't see everything and having the team captain, or coach, share their view of what might be missed on the floor seems pretty valid.

So you think it's "pretty valid" for coaches to make statements to you in an attempt to influence your decisions.

Dan_ref Thu Mar 08, 2007 03:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick
So, you confused a player with a sincere question.

For me, I try to be more professional and less sophomoric.

Me too.

Answer the kid's question, don't get in a silly sematics discussion wth him.

buckrog64 Thu Mar 08, 2007 03:53pm

Agree with Junker; it's okay to acknowledge the concern quickly as long as they're polite about it. They might not have the term right, but they think the other team is getting away with contact. Just say okay and move on; or be like some guys I know who take it personally and call 'OTB' on the team that just complained....

Husker John Thu Mar 08, 2007 03:53pm

Don't Escalate
 
Although it may be easier said then done, it may be a better response to say that you didn't see the over-the-back. A comment that is derogitory may just escalate the whole issue.

Is the point, that you did not see a player gain an unfair advantage? Is it not possible that the coach saw it differently? Isn't the rest is terminology?

Mark Padgett Thu Mar 08, 2007 04:31pm

If a coach asks you to "watch for over the back" or "watch for the reach" just look at him/her and ask "Why?"

See what kind of response you get. :rolleyes:

grunewar Thu Mar 08, 2007 04:38pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
I have no problem saying, "There's no such thing."

That's what I do. It often gets me some not so kind looks by the lesser informed. :p

Adam Thu Mar 08, 2007 04:41pm

How about, "I saw it. It was a great play."

BktBallRef Thu Mar 08, 2007 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Me too.

Answer the kid's question, don't get in a silly sematics discussion wth him.

OMIGOD!!!! Dan tries to give a professoinal and less sophmoric answer? :eek:

Nevadaref Thu Mar 08, 2007 08:19pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Answer the kid's question, don't get in a silly sematics discussion wth him.

That would be fine, Dan, if it were truly the kid's question, but you are well aware that it isn't. It's the coach's message for you in an attempt to get you to call something his way. The kid is just the middleman, and we both know that he could care less what answer you give him because he is only doing what his coach instructed him to do. Why not go directly answer the coach?

26 Year Gap Thu Mar 08, 2007 08:52pm

I suppose the correct answer might be "the coach's box is for coaching.";)


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