Would you have T ed ?

Adam · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Mar 07, 2007, 06:34pm

If he comes out there to tend to the kid and tells me I need to call something, I'm probably going to let that go depending on the volume and tone.
If he comes out to tend the to the kid and questions my integrity, and I don’t see any other way to take "You got something against this kid?" then it's an easy T. The natural reaction to a kid getting hurt on a no-call is to tell the ref he needs to be calling something. The natural reaction is not to accuse the ref of having something personal against the player.

j51969 · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Mar 07, 2007, 06:42pm

Whack him, whack him, and maybe whack him. My partner got the "don't cheat the kids" line this weekend.

blindmanwalking · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 08, 2007, 08:58am

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Originally Posted by j51969

Whack him, whack him, and maybe whack him. My partner got the "don't cheat the kids" line this weekend.

So you're in favor of penalizing a kid for insulting an official but if someone in the crowd insults/gets personal with a kid you consider it part of the game?
Your not very consistent.

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Originally Posted by j51969

Have we really become this sensitive? Maybe we should mandate group prayer during time-outs. All gods and deities will be admitted. The PC police should be present to issue any tickets for violations and penalties to the PC code. 99.9% of anything that goes on in a high school gym is harmless fun. If little Johnny is emotionally devastated by jeers coming from the crowd, maybe competitive sports aren't his bag. Our silly society continues to cater to the minority. All we need now is a minister in front of the county court house burning NF publications. I can't believe there are to many of us (officials) who go home and cry because of what some student section said to us. If so, may I suggest officiating the pickle races at your local Mc D's.

Junker · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 08, 2007, 09:24am

Absolutely assess the T. You aren't costing the kids a thing, their coach is for being an idiot. I had to call a similar T in a JV girls game this year. They are invited out on the floor to attend to a player, not to complain about you.

j51969 · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 08, 2007, 11:22am

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Originally Posted by blindmanwalking

So you're in favor of penalizing a kid for insulting an official but if someone in the crowd insults/gets personal with a kid you consider it part of the game?
Your not very consistent.

Yes I am consistent. I officiate the game, not society. The coach is part of the team and can be dealt with accordingly. I not even sure how you can marry the two together? You will be a very busy guy dealing with players coaches and fans. Remember I wasn't in favor of abusive behavior, just didn't think it was my job to deal with it. There are rare times when the game needs to stop to control,or remove a spectator. But for booing, clever signage, and turning back during visiting intros? Not my problem. If the school admin. isn't worried why should I be.

JugglingReferee · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 08, 2007, 12:02pm

Given the time left in the game, score, and the situation in general, I think a great official will do everything is her power to avoid the calling the Technical Foul, and then still issue it when she's done her part of not being a part of the game.

I'd call the T in your case.

This sitch is a perfect example of why not to hang around, and in fact to get away from, the coach and injured player.

I would have started walking away as soon as the C came onto the court. No need for you to be there.

Scrapper1 · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 08, 2007, 01:37pm

If I were standing right next to the kid as the coach came out and he said that, I would probably T him. (Nah, I'd definitely T him at this age level!) But the best thing would be NOT to be standing right there. Anytime a kid goes down and the coach or trainer comes out on the floor get away from the kid. That way the coach has to either yell across the floor or chase you to yell at you. And in those cases, the T is easier to call b/c everybody in the gym knows what happened.

blindmanwalking · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 08, 2007, 05:31pm

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Originally Posted by j51969

Yes I am consistent. I officiate the game, not society. The coach is part of the team and can be dealt with accordingly. I not even sure how you can marry the two together? You will be a very busy guy dealing with players coaches and fans. Remember I wasn't in favor of abusive behavior, just didn't think it was my job to deal with it. There are rare times when the game needs to stop to control,or remove a spectator. But for booing, clever signage, and turning back during visiting intros? Not my problem. If the school admin. isn't worried why should I be.

The three things you mention aren't in the same category as what is being discussed. Personal insults during a game directed at a player are your business. It only takes a couple of minutes to get an AD or other administrator to deal with it. It will be the last time you have to at that game. Also keep in mind that you are on the floor with the players and will hear things game management will not. It is your obligation to the game to work with game management to deal with potentially explosive situations.
I have yet to remove a fan from a game but will not hesitate if they start verbally abusing a player. I've noticed an escalation in the tone of comments at 3 or 4 of my games this year. I would rather remove a fan than see a player go after him. JMO