Would you have T ed ?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He didn't call it because he didn't want to "decide the game."

This sounds like a guy that gets it. You know, that thing they call "IT". This guy gets it, unfortunately, you don't.

A wise man once said; if you got it, you don't need it; if you need it and you don't have it, then you really have no idea, how to get it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

The official took a DIRECT insult, that's like a direct unprotected body shot in boxing. On the battlefield, that's like getting hit with a bullet and continuing to fight, paving the way for the others. By not giving the coach a T, it preserved the integrity of the game, and also the integrity for the C. A double win. I didn't mention that. This guy knocked down two birds with one stone, one no-call. He hits the C with a T and half the parents are going to be piss at him for getting that T so late in a 1 point game. In HS or college, that could've ended his career. It turned out that the team still lost, so preserving that T saved the coaches face with his supporters.

That again ties for the stoopidest post ever on this forum.

Not giving a deserved "T" doesn't preserve the integrity of anything. It just points out that an official has no balls. You never walk away from a direct insult.

That's another great statement. Don't call a deserved "T" because it might piss of the fans. And if you do piss off the fans, that's gonna end your career.

You've now gone past the point of "that's so dumb that you just have to laugh at it" and you're approaching "Good Lord, have you ever seen a damn basketball game, let alone officiated in one?".

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You've now gone past the point of "that's so dumb that you just have to laugh at it" and you're approaching "Good Lord, have you ever seen a damn basketball game, let alone officiated in one?".

Why does that stupid clown still have an account?!?!?!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Not giving a deserved "T" doesn't preserve the integrity of anything. It just points out that an official has no balls. You never walk away from a direct insult.

Disagree. I think it points out the official cares more for the game and the integrity of the game then he does himself. You can't teach this JR. This is the type of referee I want to see move up to the next level because he truly cares about the game. He's not a; it's all about me official.

That's another great statement. Don't call a deserved "T" because it might piss of the fans. And if you do piss off the fans, that's gonna end your career.

I think you misunderstood this one too chief. I meant ending the coaches career. At some level, whether the T was justified or not, this action by the coach is going to come back to him. Getting a T with 24 seconds left in a one point game is dumb. What I was saying was not calling the T preserved the coaches career for maybe another season or two.

[AFHusker]

Originally Posted by Old School

On the battlefield, that's like getting hit with a bullet and continuing to fight, paving the way for the others. By not giving the coach a T, it preserved the integrity of the game, and also the integrity for the C.

Comparing a sport to combat is a bad analogy, but if you are going to do it in this situation, it would be more like the enemy surrendering then pulling out a gun and shooting you when you go to detain him.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Old School

On the battlefield, that's like getting hit with a bullet and continuing to fight, paving the way for the others.

You have to be one of the biggest AZZ CLOWNS in the world. I generally don't go around wearing my patriotism on my sleeve. However, as a veteran of Panama, and Desert Storm your analogy is completely ridiculous. NOTHING in sports compares to battle. If you have been in one you would know that. I actually enjoy your idiotic rants on here, it keeps me loose. Since most of your posts are a page long take some more time and write something less disrespectful to those of us who have served. If you have served yourself, your and even bigger idiot.

[Raymond]

I guess it's time for my monthly "Why are any of you taking Old School seriously?" post.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by j51969

You have to be one of the biggest AZZ CLOWNS in the world. I generally don't go around wearing my patriotism on my sleeve. However, as a veteran of Panama, and Desert Storm your analogy is completely ridiculous. NOTHING in sports compares to battle. If you have been in one you would know that. I actually enjoy your idiotic rants on here, it keeps me loose. Since most of your posts are a page long take some more time and write something less disrespectful to those of us who have served. If you have served yourself, your and even bigger idiot.

No disrespect intended, but my analogy is just that, an analogy, not a statement of fact. People draw analogies all the time, some maybe closer than others, but if you can't distinguish the difference, then maybe you are the idiot. Quite trying to change the subject. Now repeat after me, it's not all about me.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Old School

You got quite a few opinions out here on this, and they are varied and all correct. However, I commend you for "not" giving the T in this situation because of what you stated; you had a great game, and for the betterment of the game, you took one. Hooray for you, this is good officiating and the rest of the people out here should take note. You took one for the home team, the referees. We reward sacrifices like this in the armed forces with a metal of honor. You've earned one today, at least imo, you did. You could have blasted him and been correct in your call, however, IMO, the only thing you would have proven is that it's all about you. You took it personal and it was not meant as a personal attack on your character as an official. It was an emotional outburst from a coach who was into it, as he should be. Add on to that an injured player in a very close game that he was one point behind in, and he needed something called in his favor at that point in time, which he didn't get. His timing for saying this was not good, however, you proved to be the bigger man this day and ignored it for what it was, an emotional, not well thought out outburst. What you did cannot be learned from reading a rulebook, but I can tell you with certainly, that this is what true officiating is all about. Being able to separate yourself from the emotion of the game and dealing with the game not as a controller, dominate person with a chip on his shoulder, but a participant in the game with responsibilities to the game. In certain situation there are times when the rule makers want us to apply judgment instead of the rule of law and it's really hard to explain judgment (when is enough enough) but I thought your judgment here was outstanding.

For the next time, when you blow the play dead and beckon for the coach, you should be walking the other way like the others here have suggested. In fact, this is a good time to go talk with your partner, head the furthest away from the coach, IOW, don't go walk by the coach or the bench. Go talk to your partner about the last 24 seconds of the game, how many TO's is left, anybody in the bonus, last sec. shot, etc. Just giving you something to think about to go do. Since the kid is standing there hurt, you ain't putting that ball in right away so no need to stand there getting ready to hand the ball to Team B. This gets you and the coach out of harms way. I call it preventative officiating, even if it's in reverse. My point is, you can't call a T on something you didn't hear.

My opinion, based on what the coach stated is not T worthy. Now, if he laced that comment with a few swear words, yea, you're getting it. However, I know exactly what you mean when you say those words bothered you. Welcome to officiating. Had a similar thing happened last night in a wreck league. Had to have a few afterwards to calm myself down before going home.

Old School:

He had a great game up until the moment he did not whack the coach. At the level I officiate and many of the other officials on this board officiate at, if you do not take care of business, you will not be around to take care of business another time.

MTD, Sr.

[Husker John]

As I read this post, this is the phrase that stuck with me. Don't know why, but it did. The kids are 9 or 10 and when they fall some will cry. Sometimes the crying doesn't match the nature of the injury.

Don't know if this is the case, but remember at this level these coaches are probably parents and/or friends of the kid. This might be a reason why the coach reacted the way he did.

Sounds like you had reason to T him up, but showed great restraint. Sounds like great advice on how to handle these situations. Keep up the good work.