State Championship Game mess up
 

Official calls a foul on the baseline on team A. 9th team foul and teams line up for 1 and 1 by team B. As the teams line up the other official who is admistering the free throw indicates two shots at the same time trail official is holding up the 1 and 1. I'm not sure if he thought the foul was in the act of shooting or that there was 10 fouls. Shot goes up and player from team B grabs an uncontested rebound and makes a basket. Whistle blows and player start to argue if it was two shots or 1 and 1. My question is what do you do now. The officials in this game got together and decided to take away the basket and go to an AP arrow which had team A getting the ball at the baseline. Was this the right proceedure.

This a casebook play so how to remedy the situation is not that difficult. But what I want to know is did the officials really argue or this just an exxageration?

Players argued not the officials.

Ooops, my bad. :o

My reading skills must be deteriorating.

Yes, since B-1 was the only player to rebound the ball and have an uncontested layup. Going to the AP is correct.

See 8.6.1 for the case play covering the situation.

1. Tell the player to shut up.
2. Go to the arrow.

OFFICIALS PROVIDE ERRONEOUS INFORMATION
8.6.1 SITUATION: A1 is about to attempt the first of a one-and-one free-throw situation. The administering official steps in and erroneously informs players that two shots will be taken. A1's first attempt is unsuccessful. The missed shot is rebounded by: (a) B1, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; (b) A2, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; or (c) B2, with several players from both teams attempting to secure the rebound. The officials recognize their error at this point. RULING: In (a) and (b), the official's error clearly put one team at a disadvantage (players stood motionless and didn't attempt to rebound). Play should be whistled dead immediately and resumed using the alternating-possession procedure. In (c), both teams made an attempt to rebound despite the official's error and had an equal opportunity to gain possession of the rebound. Play should continue. (2-3)


But what if it isn't and the player who got the rebound scored first as in the OP? I don't see any provision in the rules for cancelling that goal.

Exactly, which is why the reference at the end of the ruling it reads (2-3).

Cancel the basket, go to the AP, they did. IMO, they handled it correctly.

So, if the isn't stopped right away, but the throw-in is completed and the ball is advanced to the division line where a foul occurs and only then is it brought to the attention of the officials are you still going to invoke 2-3 and cancel the goal?

What exactly is your timeline here?

Quite honestly, it could be very difficult to kill it before the same thing happens that happened above. If it can be killed before the throw-in begins, I've got no problem handling it that way. Most likely, someone's going to be raising hell before it even gets to that point.

Whack the rebounder for failure to promptly return the ball to the official. ;)

forget the AP
 

nevermind the AP, close the books on this one!!!! :rolleyes:

Huh? Care to elaborate?

this was the 4A championship game for Idaho and the officials were having a nice ride until this little bobble; it was a play where it would have seemed obvious that it was a two shot foul; but turned out the calling official called the push in the back that happened right before the rebound and shot, so it was 1 and 1. I was sitting high in the bleachers and saw the administering referee say 2 shots and I new it was about to hit the fan if he missed the first shot; it was unfortunate but they handled the clean up as best they could; unfortunately the game kind of went into the crapper after that, not really there fault but there were a couple of hot heads. Just another reminder of how important communication is; I felt like the calling official should have been on top of things, he should have known he had surprised everyone when he called 1 and 1 and he should have been watching his partner carefully to make sure they were on the same page; but he relaxed, like we all do from time to time;

boiseball,
Just curious, but was this game done 2-man or 3-man?

Had this happen before. Partner called a foul and everyone in the gym thought it was in the act of shooting as did I. But he didn't indicate that the foul was before the shot and I ***/u/me it was a two shot foul. Long story short, it's all about communication and it's another lesson learned.

2 man, everything in Idaho always has been, always will be, 2 man; hence, I pine everyday for Cleveland again and the joys of 3 man :)

Even state games at the Idaho Center? I coulda sworn I saw 'em do 3 man there. Probably bad memory...

from what I understand, and I am new to Idaho, this was my first year, but from what I understand they did 3 man for one year, sometime in the last 10 years and I have heard every excuse under the sun for why they immediately went back to 2 man

Rule 2 Officials and Their Duties
Section 10 Correctable Errors


Article 1: Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in:

a. Failure to award a merited free throw.
b. Awarding an unmerited free throw.
c. Permitting a wrong player to attempt a free throw.
d. Attempting a free throw at the wrong basket.
e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

Article 2: In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.


Article 3: If in Article 1e the error is made while the clock is running and the ball dead, it must be recognized by an official before the second live ball.

Article 4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be canceled.

Article 5: Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, shall not be nullified. Errors because of free-throw attempts by the wrong player or at the wrong basket shall be corrected by applying 8-1 and 8-2.

THe basket should have counted and Team A gets the ball at the endline. No wrong player or basket or no awarding an unmerited free throw. Points count and the offiicals just take the heat.

DING...we have a winner!

That's not what the Fed wants us to do. They want us to get the play right. Whether you kill it before or after the rebound before or after a shot, get it right. That's why the rule reference is 2-3.

Do what you will. But not me.

I agree with Tony's statement about the FED wanting us to get this right, but I believe that in order to implement the course of action outlined in the casebook, the officials need to blow a whistle and kill the play BEFORE the goal is scored. I have a hard time cancelling this goal even under 2-3, if the whistle isn't sounded until after it goes through the basket.

Agreed. <iiii>

You're entitled to your opinion but personally, I don't think that makes any difference. There's nothing magical about this goal.

Now, if they would just make it a correctable error, which is what it should be, then they could clean it up very easily.

So let's say that A1 is shooting the FT and B2 grabs the uncontested rebound. He now fires the ball the length of the court to B3 who is standing under the other basket and he scores an easy go with everyone standing around because the administering official said 2 shots.

Is there anything magical about that goal or would you cancel it as well?