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howie719 Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:30pm

Time out question
 
Has anyone ever had a coach call a timeout before the tip off?

zebraman Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by howie719
Has anyone ever had a coach call a timeout before the tip off?

Do you mean "request one?" Because an official would not grant it.

howie719 Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:39pm

yes, and I didn't. He asked for a rule interp. to support why he couldn't. I could think of it off the top of my head.

grunewar Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:54pm

Just curious - what was the rule interp that was so important, it just had to be made before the game started....?

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:58pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar
Just curious - what was the rule interp that was so important, it just had to be made before the game started....?

The original post didn't say he wanted a TO to ask about an interpretation, it said after the TO was denied, he wanted the interpretation to explain why it was denied. It doesn't state why he wanted one in the first place.

grunewar Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:04pm

Thanks Mark - my bad. I would still be curious as to why he wanted the TO.

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar
Thanks Mark - my bad. I would still be curious as to why he wanted the TO.

Maybe his fly was open. :eek:

zebraman Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:30pm

5.12.4 A time-out shall not be granted until after the ball has become live to start the game.

WhistlesAndStripes Thu Feb 22, 2007 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by howie719
yes, and I didn't. He asked for a rule interp. to support why he couldn't. I could think of it off the top of my head.

Just tell him it's in the book, pull it out of your back pocked, toss it to him, and tell him to start reading.:D

grunewar Thu Feb 22, 2007 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
Just tell him it's in the book, pull it out of your back pocked, toss it to him, and tell him to start reading.:D

Your assuming the coach can rad! :p

howie719 Thu Feb 22, 2007 03:34pm

He never said why he wanted it, and I didn't ask. I just told him it wasn't possible, and to give me five players to start game. This was a 7/8th grade boys select tournament. A few kids showed up late. I sure he was trying to buy time to start these kids.

JoeTheRef Thu Feb 22, 2007 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by howie719
He never said why he wanted it, and I didn't ask. I just told him it wasn't possible, and to give me five players to start game. This was a 7/8th grade boys select tournament. A few kids showed up late. I sure he was trying to buy time to start these kids.

Does the book need to be ready, with starters designated, at least 10 minutes before the start of the game for 7/8 grade boys? Or is this a rec game?

howie719 Thu Feb 22, 2007 04:11pm

The weather did suck, and the guy running the tournament didn't want to start on a bad note. We were told as long as everyone was in the book before the start, saddle up and play. This was more of an AAU type tournament. Goods teams and high level of play. The owner\operator of the facility wants people to have a good experience and return. Once the game started we conducted ourselves like we would under normal circumstances, and call the game accordingly. Coaches and players weren't given any special treatment because they paid a fee to play, and that's how everyone treated it. Overall I don't think anyone had any complaint you wouldn't normally get.

Jurassic Referee Thu Feb 22, 2007 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
Does the book need to be ready, with starters designated, at least 10 minutes before the start of the game for 7/8 grade boys? Or is this a rec game?

The book doesn't have to be ready for <b>any</b> NFHS game 10 minutes before the start. The only team requirement, by rule, is to just hand the team roster and starters to the official scorer.

JoeTheRef Thu Feb 22, 2007 04:19pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The book doesn't have to be ready for <b>any</b> NFHS game 10 minutes before the start. The only team requirement, by rule, is to just hand the team roster and starters to the official scorer.

You're 1000% correct. Thanks... I actually knew that and meant that, but forgot I need to type what I meant. Meaning, if the 7/8 game boys game was playing by NFHS, the coach couldn't have replaced his starters with his late comers without penalty. And yes, I am aware there are reasons why the coach can change a starter without penalty, but if you feel the need to respond with those reasons, by all means...

Jurassic Referee Thu Feb 22, 2007 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
You're 1000% correct. Thanks... I actually knew that and meant that, but forgot I need to type what I meant. Meaning, if the 7/8 game boys game was playing by NFHS, the coach couldn't have replaced his starters with his late comers without penalty. And yes, I am aware there are reasons why the coach can change a starter without penalty, but if you feel the need to respond with those reasons, by all means...

Don't blame the messenger. The idea is that anyone reading this forum should know exactly how a rule works. The last thing needed is an official wrongfully handing out a "T" to a team for not having the book ready at the 10-minute mark just because he read it here.

mick Thu Feb 22, 2007 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
You're 1000% correct.

How much is that ?
Is that like a ... a bunch ??

Stat-Man Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:51pm

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
Does the book need to be ready, with starters designated, at least 10 minutes before the start of the game for 7/8 grade boys? Or is this a rec game?

Hmm, most 7/8 MS, CYO, and AAU games are lucky to get 5-10 minutes between games max (at our previous CYO game, the referees wanted us to put 5 minutes between the first and second game). If the rule about submitting a squad list and starter was enforced to the letter in these games and situations, lots of these games would start with either a single or double administrative tech to start the game. :p

Adam Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:06am

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
Does the book need to be ready, with starters designated, at least 10 minutes before the start of the game for 7/8 grade boys? Or is this a rec game?

Anything below high school, I don't even worry about the 10 minute mark. Half the time, we're lucky to have it in by the 3 minute mark because teams can't even take the court or bench until the game before them is over. 8 minutes between games, there's no way I'm enforcing the 10 minute rule.

7/8 grade AAU game? I just want the starters designated before tipoff.


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