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tjones1 Mon Feb 19, 2007 05:32pm

NFHS Survey
 
Just got the e-mail that it had been posted. So I went over and took it really quick.

As always, I post the "Would you favor" questions, here they are this year. If you want to take the survey you've got to be a NFHS member and can do so by logging in at http://www.nfhs.org

Would you favor:

1. Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption.

2. Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption.

3. Permitting a shot clock by state association adoption.

4. During a free throw, moving all players up one space and leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant (currently spaces nearest the shooter are vacant).

5. After shooting the free throws for a technical foul, putting the ball in play at the point of interruption (currently the ball is awarded to the offended team at half court).

6. Changing to a 20-second interval for replacement of a disqualified player (currently 30-seconds).

7. Adding a fifth delay warning for a team huddling at the sideline during the disqualified player replacement interval.

8. Stopping the game clock after a successful goal when there is less than one minute remaining in the fourth quarter (or any overtime) and restarting the game clock when the ball is touched inbounds.

9. During state championship contests, permitting game officials to use courtside replay equipment to determine if a try for field goal at or near the expiration of time should be counted, and if counted, determine its value, by state association adoption.

No greys or side-panel shirt adoption questions. I was really banking on the side-panel shirt question since we had the grey question last year. Oh well...maybe next year, right M&M :D

tjones1 Mon Feb 19, 2007 05:39pm

By the way, I answered "yes" to only one of these questions.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Feb 19, 2007 05:42pm

Don't the "side panel" shirts already meet the requirements?

tjones1 Mon Feb 19, 2007 05:45pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
Don't the "side panel" shirts already meet the requirements?

I seem to think so, but some states (including mine) don't think so.

Adam Mon Feb 19, 2007 06:27pm

Yes to #4, no to all the others.

26 Year Gap Mon Feb 19, 2007 06:53pm

Where is it on the site? Can you post that link? I joined, but cannot seem to find the questionnaire. Thanks.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 19, 2007 07:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
Just got the e-mail that it had been posted. So I went over and took it really quick.

As always, I post the "Would you favor" questions, here they are this year. If you want to take the survey you've got to be a NFHS member and can do so by logging in at http://www.nfhs.org

Would you favor:

1. Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption.

2. Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption.

3. Permitting a shot clock by state association adoption.

4. During a free throw, moving all players up one space and leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant (currently spaces nearest the shooter are vacant).

5. After shooting the free throws for a technical foul, putting the ball in play at the point of interruption (currently the ball is awarded to the offended team at half court).

6. Changing to a 20-second interval for replacement of a disqualified player (currently 30-seconds).

7. Adding a fifth delay warning for a team huddling at the sideline during the disqualified player replacement interval.

8. Stopping the game clock after a successful goal when there is less than one minute remaining in the fourth quarter (or any overtime) and restarting the game clock when the ball is touched inbounds.

9. During state championship contests, permitting game officials to use courtside replay equipment to determine if a try for field goal at or near the expiration of time should be counted, and if counted, determine its value, by state association adoption.

No greys or side-panel shirt adoption questions. I was really banking on the side-panel shirt question since we had the grey question last year. Oh well...maybe next year, right M&M :D

NO to ALL...not broken...don't fix it.

26 Year Gap Mon Feb 19, 2007 07:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
Just got the e-mail that it had been posted. So I went over and took it really quick.

As always, I post the "Would you favor" questions, here they are this year. If you want to take the survey you've got to be a NFHS member and can do so by logging in at http://www.nfhs.org

Would you favor:

1. Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption.no

2. Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption.no

3. Permitting a shot clock by state association adoption.no

4. During a free throw, moving all players up one space and leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant (currently spaces nearest the shooter are vacant).no

5. After shooting the free throws for a technical foul, putting the ball in play at the point of interruption (currently the ball is awarded to the offended team at half court).no

6. Changing to a 20-second interval for replacement of a disqualified player (currently 30-seconds).no

7. Adding a fifth delay warning for a team huddling at the sideline during the disqualified player replacement interval.yes

8. Stopping the game clock after a successful goal when there is less than one minute remaining in the fourth quarter (or any overtime) and restarting the game clock when the ball is touched inbounds.no

9. During state championship contests, permitting game officials to use courtside replay equipment to determine if a try for field goal at or near the expiration of time should be counted, and if counted, determine its value, by state association adoption.no

No greys or side-panel shirt adoption questions. I was really banking on the side-panel shirt question since we had the grey question last year. Oh well...maybe next year, right M&M :D

If there were other questions....

GarthB Mon Feb 19, 2007 07:28pm

Residing in a state with a shot clock (for women)and having become accustomed to it, I have no problem with number three.

Being a "states-right" advocate, I have no problem with allowing member associations deciding numbers 1 and 2.

JRutledge Mon Feb 19, 2007 07:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
Would you favor:

1. Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption. Yes

2. Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption.Yes

3. Permitting a shot clock by state association adoption. Yes

4. During a free throw, moving all players up one space and leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant (currently spaces nearest the shooter are vacant). NO

5. After shooting the free throws for a technical foul, putting the ball in play at the point of interruption (currently the ball is awarded to the offended team at half court). NO

6. Changing to a 20-second interval for replacement of a disqualified player (currently 30-seconds). NO

7. Adding a fifth delay warning for a team huddling at the sideline during the disqualified player replacement interval. NO

8. Stopping the game clock after a successful goal when there is less than one minute remaining in the fourth quarter (or any overtime) and restarting the game clock when the ball is touched inbounds. NO--I would like to see, but it would not work at HS level.

9. During state championship contests, permitting game officials to use courtside replay equipment to determine if a try for field goal at or near the expiration of time should be counted, and if counted, determine its value, by state association adoption. Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
No greys or side-panel shirt adoption questions. I was really banking on the side-panel shirt question since we had the grey question last year. Oh well...maybe next year, right M&M :D

The side panel shirts should already fit the definition. I wish our state would allow us to wear them. I really do not see the big deal.

Peace

Bad Zebra Mon Feb 19, 2007 08:22pm

I can't see how any one of them is an improvement , taking into account the average HS players' skill level and the current HS game format. I guess I might favor a few of them if I could see some sound reasoning behind each, otherwise..."NO" to all of 'em.

stmaryrams Mon Feb 19, 2007 09:52pm

I would have to give a yes to the team huddle on fifth fouls delay. I don't understand how having a player foul out gives a team an "extra" 30 sec. time out. A coach already knows a player had four fouls. They should be prepared to put in a sub at any time.

The state adoption rules - Ohio has done things by state rules only - coaching box for one - and it didn't subversely change the game.

MJT Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1

Would you favor:

1. Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption. No, it was done in MN and things get very sloppy at the end of the half. One coach told me he has noticed players getting much more tired than with quarters.

2. Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption. No

3. Permitting a shot clock by state association adoption. Yes

4. During a free throw, moving all players up one space and leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant (currently spaces nearest the shooter are vacant). Yes

5. After shooting the free throws for a technical foul, putting the ball in play at the point of interruption (currently the ball is awarded to the offended team at half court). Yes

6. Changing to a 20-second interval for replacement of a disqualified player (currently 30-seconds). Yes

7. Adding a fifth delay warning for a team huddling at the sideline during the disqualified player replacement interval. No

8. Stopping the game clock after a successful goal when there is less than one minute remaining in the fourth quarter (or any overtime) and restarting the game clock when the ball is touched inbounds. No, hate to see the attemps at doing that at the lower level games with the variety of clock operators you get.

9. During state championship contests, permitting game officials to use courtside replay equipment to determine if a try for field goal at or near the expiration of time should be counted, and if counted, determine its value, by state association adoption. Yes

This is how I will vote.

steve33 Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:27pm

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes
6. It wouldn't matter, since our NJCAA officials don't seem to recognize the change
7. No
8. Yes, but I doubt anyone is smart enough to do it correctly
9. Yes

JeffRobinson Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:59pm

halves
 
18 minute halves has been a great change in Minnesota. Coaches are learning to use their benches so that there is more participation which was one of the stated goals when they brought it in. Also it eliminates the holding of the ball at the end of the 1st and 3rd qtr. Games get into a great flow and play very smoothly.

MJT Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffRobinson
18 minute halves has been a great change in Minnesota. Coaches are learning to use their benches so that there is more participation which was one of the stated goals when they brought it in. Also it eliminates the holding of the ball at the end of the 1st and 3rd qtr. Games get into a great flow and play very smoothly.

Where are you from Jeff? This was not the case in the games I have worked, or the coaches I have talked to. I am from IA, but close to MN and worked about 6 games in MN the last few years. I guess it depends on who you talk to.

JeffRobinson Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:24pm

Mn
 
MJT
I am in the twin cities. I noticed the sloppiness more last year. Teams seem to have adjusted better this year. Where in IA are you?

MJT Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:36pm

Alton, IA. 2 miles from Orange City, and 50 miles south and a little east of Worthington. I didn't work any games this year, so maybe it has been improving.

tjones1 Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:51pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
Where is it on the site? Can you post that link? I joined, but cannot seem to find the questionnaire. Thanks.

Log in
On the left click "Surveys"
Should be listed in the surveys.

NathanRT Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:54pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1
1. Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption.

Sure, why not? It should make games flow a little better and take a little less time. Though coaches will have to adjust to losing two "free timeouts" between quarters to make adjustments.

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Originally Posted by tjones1
2. Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption.

No, we don't need to make the games longer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
3. Permitting a shot clock by state association adoption.

Some states already do it so we might as well make it legal. I don't think we'll be seeing one in TX for quite a while (if ever) so it won't really affect me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
4. During a free throw, moving all players up one space and leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant (currently spaces nearest the shooter are vacant).

Don't see a good reason for this...


Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
5. After shooting the free throws for a technical foul, putting the ball in play at the point of interruption (currently the ball is awarded to the offended team at half court).

No! This would lesson the severity of the penalty for a tech...not a good idea.

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Originally Posted by tjones1
6. Changing to a 20-second interval for replacement of a disqualified player (currently 30-seconds).

Neutral


Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
7. Adding a fifth delay warning for a team huddling at the sideline during the disqualified player replacement interval.

Yes! Teams seem to think they can stay in the huddle as long as they want.


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Originally Posted by tjones1
8. Stopping the game clock after a successful goal when there is less than one minute remaining in the fourth quarter (or any overtime) and restarting the game clock when the ball is touched inbounds.

I really like the idea, it would make the end of game more exciting. BUT this is going to be a nightmare... especially at the sub-varsity level. Table crew just won't be able to do it right and we're going to have to be constantly messing with the clock. :(

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Originally Posted by tjones1
9. During state championship contests, permitting game officials to use courtside replay equipment to determine if a try for field goal at or near the expiration of time should be counted, and if counted, determine its value, by state association adoption.

YES!! If the equipment is available we should use it. The whole point is to get the call right, especially in a game of this caliber.

Red_Killian Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:56pm

18 min halves
 
I'm pretty sure the 18 min halves here in MN were a 2 year trial with this being the 2nd year. I disagree with the sloppiness comment by MJT, it's no worse than when we played 8 min quarters. The initial problem was really with the coaches learning to adjust their rotations and use of timeouts. I work mainly 1A and 2A, the 2 smallest classes in MN, but probably 25% of my games were 4A schools, tha largest class. The smaller schools always have more of a talent dropoff but it tends to be relative within their class, so it's not a factor in most games.

I have heard only positives from coaches, I expect we will continue with 18 min halves.

Red_Killian Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:00am

1. Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption. No

2. Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption. Yes

3. Permitting a shot clock by state association adoption. No

4. During a free throw, moving all players up one space and leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant (currently spaces nearest the shooter are vacant). Yes

5. After shooting the free throws for a technical foul, putting the ball in play at the point of interruption (currently the ball is awarded to the offended team at half court). Yes

6. Changing to a 20-second interval for replacement of a disqualified player (currently 30-seconds). Yes

7. Adding a fifth delay warning for a team huddling at the sideline during the disqualified player replacement interval. Move to 20 and don't allow huddle

8. Stopping the game clock after a successful goal when there is less than one minute remaining in the fourth quarter (or any overtime) and restarting the game clock when the ball is touched inbounds. No

9. During state championship contests, permitting game officials to use courtside replay equipment to determine if a try for field goal at or near the expiration of time should be counted, and if counted, determine its value, by state association adoption. Yes

JeffRobinson Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:05am

Mn
 
Red,
Where in the state are you located?

jaybird Tue Feb 20, 2007 01:48am

No to all. None are really needed.

Red_Killian Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:13am

Jeff, I'm in Rochester, in the SE part of the state.

chartrusepengui Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:32am

[QUOTE=tjones1]Just got the e-mail that it had been posted. So I went over and took it really quick.

As always, I post the "Would you favor" questions, here they are this year. If you want to take the survey you've got to be a NFHS member and can do so by logging in at http://www.nfhs.org

Would you favor:

1. Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption. YES

2. Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption. YES

3. Permitting a shot clock by state association adoption.NO

4. During a free throw, moving all players up one space and leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant (currently spaces nearest the shooter are vacant). NO

5. After shooting the free throws for a technical foul, putting the ball in play at the point of interruption (currently the ball is awarded to the offended team at half court). YES

6. Changing to a 20-second interval for replacement of a disqualified player (currently 30-seconds). YES

7. Adding a fifth delay warning for a team huddling at the sideline during the disqualified player replacement interval. YES

8. Stopping the game clock after a successful goal when there is less than one minute remaining in the fourth quarter (or any overtime) and restarting the game clock when the ball is touched inbounds. NO

9. During state championship contests, permitting game officials to use courtside replay equipment to determine if a try for field goal at or near the expiration of time should be counted, and if counted, determine its value, by state association adoption. NO

I think a shot clock would be nice but with budget problems in schools already such an issue it would be hard to get continuity. Also - another problem area at the table - where it is already difficult to find people to work.


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