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daver318 Sun Feb 11, 2007 02:03pm

3-pointer wrong basket
 
Player on Team A shoots what he thinks is a 3-point attempt, but it is at the wrong basket and goes in. I know Team B gets the points, but do they get 2 points or 3?

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 11, 2007 02:18pm

Two points. It's not a try.

mplagrow Sun Feb 11, 2007 02:39pm

No 3's at the wrong hoop. Just two.

tjones1 Sun Feb 11, 2007 02:54pm

What if it was tipped by the defense?

Scrapper1 Sun Feb 11, 2007 03:05pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1
What if it was tipped by the defense?

Would that make it a try? :confused:

tjones1 Sun Feb 11, 2007 03:10pm

Suppose it could be, if you considered it a tap.

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 11, 2007 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Would that make it a try? :confused:

Yeah - actually it would. See NF 4-41-5 and 4-41-6. I didn't realize it could happen that way until I carefully read those two rules.

Texas Aggie Sun Feb 11, 2007 03:32pm

It doesn't matter if its a try, tap, or thrown ball. In order to receive 3 points per (NF) 5.2.1, it must be "behind the team's own" 3 point line. I guess one could argue that if a player were at the other end of the court, he is technically "behind" the team's 3 point line, but reading the rest of the rule same makes it clear that its only 2 points: "A ball that touches ... any other goal... counts 2 points."

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 11, 2007 04:37pm

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
It doesn't matter if its a try, tap, or thrown ball. In order to receive 3 points per (NF) 5.2.1, it must be "behind the team's own" 3 point line. I guess one could argue that if a player were at the other end of the court, he is technically "behind" the team's 3 point line, but reading the rest of the rule same makes it clear that its only 2 points: "A ball that touches ... any other goal... counts 2 points."

OK - try this scenario:

A1 is outside team B's 3 point line and so is B1. A1 mistakenly shoots towards B's basket and B1 taps the ball in flight (remember, B1 is also outside B's 3 point line). According to 4-40-6, "A tap shall be considered the same as a try for field goal..." and 5-2-1 says "A successful try tap or thrown ball from the field by a player located behind the team's own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts three points." To me, that means that if B1 is inside his own 3 point line when he taps the ball, it's a three.

Ref Daddy Sun Feb 11, 2007 05:09pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1
What if it was tipped by the defense?

No Goal Tending or BI either ... not a try!

BktBallRef Sun Feb 11, 2007 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Daddy
No Goal Tending or BI either ... not a try!

Not true. You could have BI.

Scrapper1 Sun Feb 11, 2007 05:16pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
A1 is outside team B's 3 point line and so is B1. A1 mistakenly shoots towards B's basket and B1 taps the ball in flight (remember, B1 is also outside B's 3 point line). According to 4-40-6, "A tap shall be considered the same as a try for field goal..."

But the question was not about a tap. A tap is intentionally directing the ball toward the basket. This is a case where a confused player shot at the wrong goal and another confused player tried to block it, but only got one finger on it. That's not a tap in my game.

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 11, 2007 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
But the question was not about a tap. A tap is intentionally directing the ball toward the basket. This is a case where a confused player shot at the wrong goal and another confused player tried to block it, but only got one finger on it. That's not a tap in my game.

That's not a tap in <b>any</b> game.

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 11, 2007 06:11pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
That's not a tap in <b>any</b> game.

What if on it's upwards flight, B1 taps it toward his own basket? Ya, I know this is a bazillion to one chance, and if it ever happens, I hope you get it on tape. :)

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 11, 2007 06:17pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
What if on it's upwards flight, B1 taps it toward his own basket? Ya, I know this is a bazillion to one chance, and if it ever happens, I hope you get it on tape. :)

If you think that B1 was deliberately trying to direct the ball into his basket, and B1 was also outside the arc when he tapped the ball, you could call it a 3. If B1 has his back to the basket though, he shouldn't ever get that call. Iow, a bazillion to one is just about right.:)


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