Can you give a team a time-out once the elapsed time of the throw-in has reached four seconds ? The ball is not in play. It is still in the hands of player. Is there a rule that doesn't allow or allows the referee to grant or not to a time-out for this situation ? What is the ruling ? The referee in this case, a semi-final game (senior girls disallowed the time-out because he said that a change of possession was about to occur. So therefore the time-out was not granted!

If the player asked for the time out before the ref chopped the fifth second, a time out should have been granted.

Barry - you are absolutely correct - under NF rules, that is. However, I don't think they play NF rules in Canada so their rule may be different. Perhaps a reply from a Canadian official would clear this up. Anyone here who can come out of his lorry long enough to answer?

They play NF rules in Ontario, and since PP is from my hometown, I'm guessing we're talking NF rules here.

Ren

I'm guessing that the official who wouldn't grant the time-out was using a 20 year old NFHS rulebook.The rule used to be that you couldn't grant a time-out once you had hit 4 on a throw-in.You also couldn't grant a time-out to a team with the ball if you had reached 8 on the 10 second back-court count against them,or a 4-count against them in a closely guarded situation.The rationale was that the ball was about to turn over on the violation.Now,you grant the time-out.

Your close the referee that made this call just came out of retirement. He decided that since he retired from his job that he would try refereing again. The last time he refereed was way back in 1979. Obviously the rules have changed since. When he told me that he did not grant the time out I told him to reread his rule book. And yes the rule book is NF. Hopefully next time he referees he will not make this mistake again.

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Did you have a lack of action call also, forcing the team behind to force the action?

No, it just happened that he didn't recall if the time-out rule had changed. He thought it was the same as before. After 4 sec. you couldn't grant the time-out.
Actually I told him to put the situation on the forum. Then he asked me to do it. So I did. So now he will get all your responses. Thank You.

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Interesting dilemna; working with an experienced official, who is applying the wrong, "old-time" rules.

Do you anticipate that you are going to be partnered with him frequently? If so, it might bode well to TACTFULLY approach him, with rulebook in hand, an discuss the updates. I am confident that this seasoned official has MANY fine attributes to share and improve your game.

Good luck and let know how this progresses.

Have Fun!

Two years ago, I worked with a guy who came out of a 12 year retirement. He did OK, but called a violation on a free throw when one of the players not on the lane moved a few feet sideways after the shooter had the ball but prior to the shot. The player did not come anywhere the 3 point line, was well within his proper area and well outside the vision of the shooter (no disconcertion). After he made the call, we conferred and I convinced him this was not a rule. He said it used to be. I'm in my 23rd season and I don't remember anything like this. Does anyone else?

I'm fron Ontario too - where are you from? I'm in Waterloo.

..Mike