As said earlier, I have done that in the past. If I do it again, does that mean I have the right to complain, but not until then?:( Ok, I am done with this issue now, sorry, I will confine my posts from now on to strict rules questions.:D

Calm down and be realistic, we're talking about middle school games here.

Do you think middle school games attract the best officials?

If this guy is so bad do you think you're the first to notice?

Do you think your opinion as a spectator adds to or detracts from what others already think about him?

Enjoy your kid and his games. You aint gonna fix the entire planet.

Maybe the official in question was slow on his 3-sec. call from the first shot....knowing the player was in the lane too long but not seeing an advantage to be gained until the shot was put up, but just slow getting air into his/her Fox and that delay allowed the rebounder to get off a quick shot.

Seems like a whole lotta "maybes" could be plugged in here as we guess at what the officials' knowledge/intentions might have been. You don't mention that the ref and his/her partner conferenced because the P might have disagreed with the 3-sec. call.

I just can't imagine voicing support for a fan to complain to an AD about any referee of any sport. You say you were an official once, then you must know how difficult the job can be at times. The mistakes made may or may not have been honest ones, but the behavior of the asst coach is unacceptable at any level.

You know what stood out in your original post? You were hell-bent on writing a letter of complaint about the official and getting him black-balled. However, you gave absolutely no thought at all about writing a similar letter of complaint about an assistant <b>freshman</b> coach who calls officials names and gets thrown out of a game for his unsporting behavior. If you think that the official should be banned from officiating for his behavior, then don't you think also that it might be fair if the coach was <b>fired</b> for <b>his</b> behavior? Or does it only work one way?

As I said, think about it.

[QUOTE=Dan_ref]Calm down and be realistic, we're talking about middle school games here.

Do you think middle school games attract the best officials?


As a newer ref who has done a great many 'middle school' games, I believe I have heard a heck of a lot of "constructive criticism" from the fans, players, coaches, and other refs this yr. I know this is where I need to start. I try to take it all in stride and seperate the whining from the constructive criticism as I realize I still have a lot to learn and I miss calls. It's tough though sometimes that's for sure!

No, officials showed not verbally spar with fans. For that matter fans shouldn't verbal spar with officials either, but what are you going to do?

From your description, it would appear that the 3 second call was in error. All of the T's seem deserved. An official making a mistake does not give anyone carte blanche to be unsportsmanlike.

I don't see anything here particularly important other than a tired official at the end of a long day.

The ref that made the 3 second call was on the baseline and based upon when he made the call, it did not appear to be a delayed call as it occurred after the rebounder put up the shot and appeared to get fouled. Further, there was no conference between the the referees about the call.

I guess I just wanted to vent about this ref as I have literally watched over 200 7th and 8th grade level school and AAU styles games over the last 2 years and he struck me as one of, if not the, worst. 'Nuf said ;)

Wow!!

You've literally watched over 200 kiddie games over the last 2 years. I take back everything that I said. You are obviously extremely qualified to evaluate officials.

I'm not into using all of those abbreviations, but I just laughed my a@# out of my chair or how ever the kids are saying it these days. Good stuff!:D

LMAO is what your looking for.

I'm sorry, you evidently are some really big deal :p

But you didn't answer his question:

Are you also planning on writing the same letter of complaint about the coach?

Naw, not really. I'm still wondering what your answer is to my question though.

You wanted to write a letter that will basically encourage all local schools not to use that official. Do you feel that a letter should also be written encouraging the firing of the assistant coach for his actions? It's should basically be the same, shouldn't it?

Hey, good question.

Let's get this thread back on topic.