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[Kostja]

Interesting discussion. I do agree that it helps a great deal to talk about situations, calls, etc. after games. But why is it not part of your regular routine to sit down with your partners for 15 or 20 minutes after every game and talk about the key moments in the game you just worked together? I like going out and I like to hang out with other referees, but to analyse a game the perfect place would be in the lockerroom right after the game, from my point of view. At least that's what we do in Europe (and no, it is not highschool ball ;-), and yes, we use Feeble rules)

Fiasco, one more thing ... keep track of your games, write a game journal. Writing down things you want to work on in your next games, things you did well, and everything else that might be helpful. Being able to see the progress you make as you get more experienced could be a great motivation, too.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Kostja

Fiasco, one more thing ... keep track of your games, write a game journal. Writing down things you want to work on in your next games, things you did well, and everything else that might be helpful. Being able to see the progress you make as you get more experienced could be a great motivation, too.

Great advice. Thanks, Kostja.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kostja

Interesting discussion. I do agree that it helps a great deal to talk about situations, calls, etc. after games. But why is it not part of your regular routine to sit down with your partners for 15 or 20 minutes after every game and talk about the key moments in the game you just worked together?

Where did you read where someone said they did not do this? Maybe I am speaking for myself, but many games I am taking a shower and getting dressed. That usually takes more than 20 minutes based on the locker room facilities. Who said not to do this or we did not do this already?

Originally Posted by Kostja

I like going out and I like to hang out with other referees, but to analyse a game the perfect place would be in the lockerroom right after the game, from my point of view. At least that's what we do in Europe (and no, it is not highschool ball ;-), and yes, we use Feeble rules)

I do not know about you, but I do not want to spend an hour or 2 sitting in a locker room (especially HS locker rooms) talking about everything having to do with the game. In my experience much of what is discussed about officiating is not limited to the game you worked that night or anything that will not be a long drawn out conversation.

Peace

[tomegun]

Wow, between being out of town and other things I just looked at this thread.

1. I want to say this first. You are getting hit in the mouth hard in this thread. IMO, if you think you can be a caring official, without being a jerk at times and handling business - stay home with your wife because this ain't for you. This is competitive stuff and that is one reason why this banter goes back and forth so much.
2. I like hanging with my wife too, but she knows I love this (officiating). IMO, it is a must that the spouse be on board. She asks me how my games went as I come through the door, she will video a game if I ask her to, she will chart calls if I ask her to and she understands. I just joked with her at lunch that she hasn't seen me officiate since 2005 and she was like, "What are you talking about, I just saw you a couple of weeks ago." The guys in Vegas always talked about a wife or girlfriend lasting two seasons without incident (jokingly) because we are so addicted to this.
2. This board and going out with the guys will accelerate your game IMO. I'm in the military and I have to move occasionally. Practically all of my friends in Vegas and the DC area are basketball officials and not people in the military. Even my good friend from Phoenix started officiating after we became friends. Don't cut off an opportunity to meet good people.
3. If you think you may want to do this thing and do it right, do things the right way from the start. That includes uniforms, rules, etc.

Welcome to the world of officiating. Unless you are a natural, which there are very few, you will get out what you put in.

[Splute]

I can't imagine this avocation not affecting the wife in a very short time. I don't know many wives who aren't selfish about their husbands being out enjoying themselves (yes working can be fun) while they are stuck at home (their words not mine). I know just playing golf sets mine off. Perhaps there is a happy median between these two?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Splute

I can't imagine this avocation not affecting the wife in a very short time. I don't know many wives who aren't selfish about their husbands being out enjoying themselves (yes working can be fun) while they are stuck at home (their words not mine). I know just playing golf sets mine off. Perhaps there is a happy median between these two?

Thank you for reminding me how blessed I am!

[Splute]

Heavy sigh..... LOL

[Kostja]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Where did you read where someone said they did not do this? Maybe I am speaking for myself, but many games I am taking a shower and getting dressed. That usually takes more than 20 minutes based on the locker room facilities. Who said not to do this or we did not do this already?

You are right. Nobody said anything like this.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know about you, but I do not want to spend an hour or 2 sitting in a locker room (especially HS locker rooms) talking about everything having to do with the game. In my experience much of what is discussed about officiating is not limited to the game you worked that night or anything that will not be a long drawn out conversation.

Peace

You are right again. When I refereed a couple of games in HS in Canada I also didn't want to stay in these locker rooms longer than necessary ... Now, let me say "Yeah, but ..." Let's assume, that not all referees are as passionate about learning the game, talking to other officials, hear war stories, and so on, as you and I, and hence don't go out with other officials after their games ... Now, in order to analyze the game together, which I think helps a lot and at least on a "professional" level should be required(!), the referees should sit down in the locker room and go over the key moments of the game ... Agreed? For those of us who can't get enough of officiating and/or who are lucky enough to have family that gives us never ending support, great, go out have a beer or two and chat the night away

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kostja

You are right again. When I refereed a couple of games in HS in Canada I also didn't want to stay in these locker rooms longer than necessary ... Now, let me say "Yeah, but ..." Let's assume, that not all referees are as passionate about learning the game, talking to other officials, hear war stories, and so on, as you and I, and hence don't go out with other officials after their games ... Now, in order to analyze the game together, which I think helps a lot and at least on a "professional" level should be required(!), the referees should sit down in the locker room and go over the key moments of the game ... Agreed? For those of us who can't get enough of officiating and/or who are lucky enough to have family that gives us never ending support, great, go out have a beer or two and chat the night away

Let us not make this too complicated for some rookies. All any of us said is that on an occasion you might want to take advantage of talking to officials in a non-threatening, non-time consuming manner. If you like spending more time with your wife or children, that is OK. The fact is when people are sitting around in these environments, they tend to talk more openly about things that got them where they are or what it might take. Or they talk about stories of days gone by that might help someone learn from a good or bad experience. Sometimes you might just learn who the good and bad officials are and whom you have to watch out working with. It does not mean not knowing these things are the kiss of death to your career. Personally I did not think this issue was that big of a deal. It was just something that has made many of us here better and in many cases we have passed up people that only cared about the check they received for the game. Just like any advice, take it or leave it.

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let us not make this too complicated for some rookies. All any of us said is that on an occasion you might want to take advantage of talking to officials in a non-threatening, non-time consuming manner. If you like spending more time with your wife or children, that is OK. The fact is when people are sitting around in these environments, they tend to talk more openly about things that got them where they are or what it might take. Or they talk about stories of days gone by that might help someone learn from a good or bad experience. Sometimes you might just learn who the good and bad officials are and whom you have to watch out working with. It does not mean not knowing these things are the kiss of death to your career. Personally I did not think this issue was that big of a deal. It was just something that has made many of us here better and in many cases we have passed up people that only cared about the check they received for the game. Just like any advice, take it or leave it.

Peace

Talk about beating a dead horse...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Talk about beating a dead horse...

I was not talking to you rookie.

Peace

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