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fiasco · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 02:07pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

You must not have been married very long.

I find it oddly disturbing that this is the reaction I always get when I make a statement like that.

What can I say? I love my wife and she's smokin' hot.

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco

I find it oddly disturbing that this is the reaction I always get when I make a statement like that.

What can I say? I love my wife and she's smokin' hot.

Fiasco, it was a joke. And that fact that you said she is smoking hot tells us that you have not been married long at all (this is also a joke).

(See the smiley face after the post. This usually means someone is joking, since you are new and all.)

Also some of the best teaching of officiating goes on after the game is over or at the local bar or restaurant. This does not mean every single night you work you must go out, but if you want to learn the ins and outs of officiating, I would not be so quick to dismiss this practice. Sometimes a recommendation or vital information will be given at on of these establishments. Remember, you did ask what you needed to know to become a good official.

Peace

fiasco · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 02:35pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also some of the best teaching of officiating goes on after the game is over or at the local bar or restaurant. This does not mean every single night you work you must go out, but if you want to learn the ins and outs of officiating, I would not be so quick to dismiss this practice. Sometimes a recommendation or vital information will be given at on of these establishments. Remember, you did ask what you needed to know to become a good official.

Thanks. I do understand this as it has been explained to me.

All I'm saying is that I'm not much of the going out and drinkin with the buds kind of guy. If that means I won't move up the ranks as fast, I'm either going to have to rectify that by going out now and then or being content with where I'm at. That's just a decision I'll have to make personally. I'm not trying to FIGHT what you're saying at all, and I trust your judgement, I'm just saying it might not be for me.

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco

Thanks. I do understand this as it has been explained to me.

All I'm saying is that I'm not much of the going out and drinkin with the buds kind of guy. If that means I won't move up the ranks as fast, I'm either going to have to rectify that by going out now and then or being content with where I'm at. That's just a decision I'll have to make personally. I'm not trying to FIGHT what you're saying at all, and I trust your judgement, I'm just saying it might not be for me.

No one said anything about "moving up fast." We told you that there are things that are discussed that will help you in the long run. Either way it goes you will have to spend some time away from your family if you decide to officiate. I know I work a lot less than many officials on and off this board and I am not married or have a family to worry about. But I do go out every now and then to officiating socials and I occasionally go out with some partners I work with. Usually this is less than 5 times the entire season and most of the times is when the post season is going on (there are more get togethers at that time). These events are never required and not everyone attends. But many advanced and unusual situations discussed and this is where you learn how to deal with those situations before you ever experience them yourself.

This conversation is the very reason why many veterans do not even bother anymore. The more you try to help, you get some rookie telling you, "Ya but...."

Peace

fiasco · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

This conversation is the very reason why many veterans do not even bother anymore. The more you try to help, you get some rookie telling you, "Ya but...."

Peace

O...M...F...G

Do you understand that I'm not disagreeing with you? I'm not. I'm taking some of your wisdom and trying to apply it to my personal situation. What don't you understand about that.

My attitude has never been "Ya, but..." It's been "Wow, I didn't realize that was the case. I guess I'll have to re-evaluate my personal cost-benefit situation."

Look, I get it. I'm a rookie. I'm green. I don't know as much as you do. You've been around the block more times than me. I get that. God, do I get that. Thanks for reminding me.

This conversation is the very reason why I don't talk with people who don't have an elementary level of reading comprehension.

Jurassic Referee · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco

This conversation is the very reason why I don't talk with people who don't have an elementary level of reading comprehension.

Sorry.

Obviously some of us who were trying to give you advice don't meet your standards. We won't bother you in the future.

Bye-bye.

fiasco · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Obviously some of us who were trying to give you advice don't meet your standards.

What standards? All I ask is that my posts be taken for what they're worth and I not be labeled as some greenie who is telling the veterans they're full of ****. Why is that asking too much? Can YOU read?

Ignats - Now THERE'S the best suggestion I've seen all day.

JRutledge · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco

O...M...F...G

Do you understand that I'm not disagreeing with you? I'm not. I'm taking some of your wisdom and trying to apply it to my personal situation. What don't you understand about that.

My attitude has never been "Ya, but..." It's been "Wow, I didn't realize that was the case. I guess I'll have to re-evaluate my personal cost-benefit situation."

Look, I get it. I'm a rookie. I'm green. I don't know as much as you do. You've been around the block more times than me. I get that. God, do I get that. Thanks for reminding me.

This conversation is the very reason why I don't talk with people who don't have an elementary level of reading comprehension.

Listen Rookie, no one asked you how hot your wife was. No one asked you what a priority was. You asked for advice and people that have been around the block are giving you that advice. Just like any advice, you can take it or leave it. I have my games and opportunities, I do not need to give you anything. I just think you need to understand that you came here and wanted advice. You have had an outpouring of advice from people of all levels of veterans. There were even some people that that work college ball and have a state final in their resume.

I even teach a "New Official's Class" in one of my local associations. Everything that people have told you is pretty much right on and helpful. But frankly you are going to turn off the majority of those if every comment from you is a debate. Remember, you asked for advice for officiating. And before that you tried to throw a backhanded slap to someone that has been around here a lot longer than you have. If that offends you by the response you have received, then you will have a hard time officiating. Now we want you to stay and hopefully prosper as an official. But enough with what your wife looks like and what general society thinks about our uniform. We are telling you something to make you better in the long run. You do not have to take anything we say, but understand we have all been where you are right now and we are not trying to give you information so you fail.

Peace

jcarter · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 03:58pm

Here is the best piece of advice I have been given on this board.

If you ask for help, or advice, or information on this board. Take what the people have to offer, evaluate it, decide whether that information is usefull in your situation. If so use it, if not dont. But always say thank you for people taking the time to post information in regards to your questions.

bob jenkins · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco

O...M...F...G

Do you understand that I'm not disagreeing with you?

That's just a longer way of saying, "yeah, but..."

And, that's my answer (advice) to your OP.

fiasco · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And, that's my answer (advice) to your OP.

Yeah, but.

refnrev · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 02:36pm

fiasco,
Do your game and go home to your wife. These guys are just messing with you. This board is filled with a lot of people with wierd senses of humor

and a lot of people with no sense of humor at all!

Good luck on the upcoming season and welcome to the fraternity of zebras.
Now, as for pants..... I have never been a fan of beltless pants, but will be wearing them next year for the varsity games. But, if you're just starting out and working all low level stuff it makes no difference... and truthfully doesn't even make any sense to go out spend 60 - 70 bucks on a pair of referee pants. See if you enjoy it first, then you can upgrade on the equipment. As for your comment about never noticing someone's pants, only a group of referees will. Worry more about rules and calls first. Then get you some good Cliff Keens, Sansablets, Honigs, or Smittys down the road.
But if you wear a size 36 waist tjones1 will have a deal for you on Honigs pants!

Ignats75 · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 02:46pm

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After the game, on Friday nights we would go have a beverage or two and I'd sit in the corner, listen and ask questions. Its a great way to learn!

A lot can be learned just listening to war stories.

Junker · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 02:54pm

I think you might be misunderstanding. It really isn't (or shouldn't be) the socializing that helps you move up the ladder. It is being good at what you do. The conversations that can be had with veteran officials will help you learn the game in a different way and often much faster than if you are just feeling your way on your own. If you're not the hanging out with the boys kind of guy, make sure you go to your association meetings (if there is one). If that doesn't work, find a mentor and take he and his wife out for dinner. There is no substitute for experience, but you can get through a lot of early pitfalls by drawing from others who have been there and done that.

Jurassic Referee · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 07, 2007, 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by refnrev

fiasco,
Do your game and go home to your wife. These guys are just messing with you.

No, I'm not messing with anybody....and no, the other guys aren't messing with anybody either.

If you want to learn about officiating, the best time is exactly when Junker said. You learn after the game by listening and asking question from good, experienced officials in a relaxed enviroment. And if you want to advance up the officiating ladder, you had also better learn real quick that there is politics involved also. You have to network and show that your are interested, just like any other job.

Nobody is saying that he won't learn or advance as an official if he doesn't do what we've been recommending. We are telling him that he will not learn and advance nearly as fast as if he was going out and meeting with the other officials after a game.

The choice is obviously up to each individual.