fan with laser pointer

TimTaylor · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 02, 2007, 04:59pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1

(Sorry, I must hijack for a few).

Sweet Tim, what do you do with them? I've worked with some very powerful lasers in the lab, etc, but that's about it.

Mostly high precision metrology applications. The gear I work with can resolve measurements to 1 micron and angle/level to +/- 1 arc-second resolution over distances up to several hundred feet. These are primarily class 3a & 3b devices, but I occasionally work with some class 4 CO2 & Yag equipment as well - biggest was around 150 watts.

Jurassic Referee · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 02, 2007, 05:39pm

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Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Mostly high precision metrology applications. The gear I work with can resolve measurements to 1 micron and angle/level to +/- 1 arc-second resolution over distances up to several hundred feet. These are primarily class 3a & 3b devices, but I occasionally work with some class 4 CO2 & Yag equipment as well - biggest was around 150 watts.

Old School · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 02, 2007, 07:12pm

I need to know a little more about this laser pointer. What the heck is a parent doing with a laser pointer at a 6th grade game? And using it? Did you actually see him point it into the eyes? I would have given the parent a warning first to let him know (just in case he doesn't) it's illegal. If he shines it again, we're stopping the game and I'm going to have a conversation with this person.

I have forced fans to turn off cameras with the flash enabled or on. I look up and see that, beep, shut it off! Fans said nobody has ever made me turn it off before. I said if you don't turn it off, you or the camera or both is leaving this gym. If I was you, I would make it a practice to warn a fan first before tossing. This way, after the fact, you got that to fall back on. Now that the parent is questioning your actions, it would be nice to say you gave him a warning first which he did not heed, before you had him removed.

refnjoe · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 02, 2007, 09:31pm

BktBallRef · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 02, 2007, 10:21pm

Never address a fan or ask them to leave.

Ask game management to handle the situation.

26 Year Gap · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 02, 2007, 10:36pm

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Originally Posted by Old School

I need to know a little more about this laser pointer. What the heck is a parent doing with a laser pointer at a 6th grade game? And using it? Did you actually see him point it into the eyes? I would have given the parent a warning first to let him know (just in case he doesn't) it's illegal. If he shines it again, we're stopping the game and I'm going to have a conversation with this person.

I have forced fans to turn off cameras with the flash enabled or on. I look up and see that, beep, shut it off! Fans said nobody has ever made me turn it off before. I said if you don't turn it off, you or the camera or both is leaving this gym. If I was you, I would make it a practice to warn a fan first before tossing. This way, after the fact, you got that to fall back on. Now that the parent is questioning your actions, it would be nice to say you gave him a warning first which he did not heed, before you had him removed.

If this 'fan' is reading this, his next question will be "Can I have your schedule Old School?" To which you will reply, "I have no schedule."

ChrisSportsFan · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 02, 2007, 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by Old School

I need to know a little more about this laser pointer. What the heck is a parent doing with a laser pointer at a 6th grade game? And using it? Did you actually see him point it into the eyes? I would have given the parent a warning first to let him know (just in case he doesn't) it's illegal. If he shines it again, we're stopping the game and I'm going to have a conversation with this person.

Are you serious? He said this was an adult! What adult thinks it's perfectly ok to shine a laser pointer in the opponents eye when they shoot free throws? There is no way I let that idiot off with a warning! He gets ejected in a heart beat and he better hurry before I puke on his pants.

Jurassic Referee · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 03, 2007, 06:19am

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Originally Posted by Old School

I would have given the parent a warning first to let him know (just in case he doesn't) it's illegal. If he shines it again, we're stopping the game and I'm going to have a conversation with this person.

You wouldn't use The Old School Stare of Immediate Painful Death(tm) first?

Camron Rust · #9 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 04, 2007, 08:18pm

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Originally Posted by Old School

I have forced fans to turn off cameras with the flash enabled or on. I look up and see that, beep, shut it off! Fans said nobody has ever made me turn it off before. I said if you don't turn it off, you or the camera or both is leaving this gym.

How patently ridiculous! Making a guy with camera not use the flash? That is going WAY to far. Let the dad take pictures of Johnny....most cameras will not take a decent picture without a flash.

The flashes in college and pro games are 100's of times more powerful than the little flash in a pocket camera. Those "pro" flashes aren't a problem so why would a tiny pocket camera flash be a problem. Even if they've got a nice digital SLR with an external flash, they're still no more than one tenth the power of the pro flashes.

JRutledge · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 04, 2007, 08:40pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

How patently ridiculous! Making a guy with camera not use the flash? That is going WAY to far. Let the dad take pictures of Johnny....most cameras will not take a decent picture without a flash.

The flashes in college and pro games are 100's of times more powerful than the little flash in a pocket camera. Those "pro" flashes aren't a problem so why would a tiny pocket camera flash be a problem. Even if they've got a nice digital SLR with an external flash, they're still no more than one tenth the power of the pro flashes.

I am going to have to stop you there. I think it depends on where it is used. I have seen people use cameras right in the view point of the FT shooter. I have also seen those lights from camcorders that I have had turned off in they are distracting. Usually these are brought to the attention by the coach or players. So I would not say it was ridiculous if the people are right off court. We are not talking about a huge arena where the flashes are several feet away.

Peace

Camron Rust · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 05, 2007, 12:22am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am going to have to stop you there. I think it depends on where it is used. I have seen people use cameras right in the view point of the FT shooter. I have also seen those lights from camcorders that I have had turned off in they are distracting. Usually these are brought to the attention by the coach or players. So I would not say it was ridiculous if the people are right off court. We are not talking about a huge arena where the flashes are several feet away.

Peace

Note that he simply said if someone had a camera, he'd have them turn it off or leave the gym....no mention of them standing under the basket or how or when it was being used.

In a well lit gym, the strobe of a camera is hardy noticable. I've seen photographers taking flash photos from a few feet outside the mid-outer endline and I hardly notice the flash. They're just not bright enough or on long enough to be an issue.

Unless a court is extremely well lit, any decent photo will probably require a flash.

JRutledge · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 05, 2007, 12:43am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Note that he simply said if someone had a camera, he'd have them turn it off or leave the gym....no mention of them standing under the basket or how or when it was being used.

In a well lit gym, the strobe of a camera is hardy noticable. I've seen photographers taking flash photos from a few feet outside the mid-outer endline and I hardly notice the flash. They're just not bright enough or on long enough to be an issue.

Unless a court is extremely well lit, any decent photo will probably require a flash.

I agree with not telling them to turn it completely off. I am just saying that if someone said this was a distraction, I would address it. I would ask kindly to have them turn off the light or the distraction. If you people know this is OK, they might just use these devices on purpose to cause a distraction like purposely shinning light or flashes in the eye sight of a FT for example.

Peace

Old School · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 05, 2007, 07:57pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Note that he simply said if someone had a camera, he'd have them turn it off or leave the gym....no mention of them standing under the basket or how or when it was being used.

In a well lit gym, the strobe of a camera is hardy noticable. I've seen photographers taking flash photos from a few feet outside the mid-outer endline and I hardly notice the flash. They're just not bright enough or on long enough to be an issue.

Unless a court is extremely well lit, any decent photo will probably require a flash.

I should clarify, I meant Camcorders. Cameras that take a flash and then go off or not a problem. But if you got a video camera or camcorder, and the strope or bright light is on. Turn it off. One tournament I was working, the tournament director, walked out on the floor, stopped our game, when up into the stands and took the camera. Escorted the parents out. Not allowed here! When I run into it. I look up and see that bright strope light on. Turn it off. Lot of the people tried to fight it, they where either escorted out the gym or they turn it off.