Liability Issue @ Ortonville

[chartrusepengui]

You cannot start a game with only one registered official. I have not seen anything regarding the use of non-registered officials. I'm not sure what effect a conference game using officials such as these would have on standings etc.

I think that the players/team members etc would all be covered under insurance policies for any injuries etc that might happen- perhaps even the non-registered officials as well. However, the insurance companies themselves might look to take action against the unregistered officials if they believed that their action, inaction, or lack of basketball knowledge was a contributing factor in an incident. In any case - I think that the game should not have been played under those circumstances.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

You cannot start a game with only one registered official.

Perhaps that is true where you live, but I think in most places, you can play a game with only one official.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

You cannot start a game with only one registered official. I have not seen anything regarding the use of non-registered officials. I'm not sure what effect a conference game using officials such as these would have on standings etc.

Says whom?

I have had many games over the years start with one official. That is only a local rule if there is any rule that covers this at all. That also might not apply to the OPers area.

Also you cannot assume that the officials are not registered. They very well might have been. All you can do is talk to the coaches and maybe AD to who the officials are, but you cannot assume that they were not licensed or did not fit many requirements of that level.

Peace

[GreeneFam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also you cannot assume that the officials are not registered. They very well might have been. All you can do is talk to the coaches and maybe AD to who the officials are, but you cannot assume that they were not licensed or did not fit many requirements of that level.

No I know this for a fact, one official was a substitute teacher, the other was student, still dressed in her JV volleyball practice uniform. The teacher MAY have been registered, but I find that a stretch. And after emailing the principal he acknowledge that there were no registered officials present.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by GreeneFam

No I know this for a fact, one official was a substitute teacher, the other was student, still dressed in her JV volleyball practice uniform. The teacher MAY have been registered, but I find that a stretch.

Why? Because she was a substiture teacher, or because she was a she?

I was "registered" when I worked as a substitute teacher.

[GreeneFam]

GarthB-
No because the principal acknowledged it. The fact that they are females had nothing to do with anything. I did re-read my OP and agree that I used that term a lot, but I would have been just as upset if a MALE student had refereed the game. The gender was not the issue. I am sorry you are taking such offense at the adjective FEMALE.

I can only assumed I used the term FEMALE to better describe who had been chosen to officiate. If it was a middle aged white balding man, I would have said middle aged white balding man.

Again - my question is to the registered officials: Would this situation disturb you? Or should I just let it go, like one PP suggested and let them play?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by GreeneFam

GarthB-
No because the principal acknowledged it. The fact that they are females had nothing to do with anything. I did re-read my OP and agree that I used that term a lot, but I would have been just as upset if a MALE student had refereed the game. The gender was not the issue. I am sorry you are taking such offense at the adjective FEMALE.

I can only assumed I used the term FEMALE to better describe who had been chosen to officiate. If it was a middle aged white balding man, I would have said middle aged white balding man.

Yeah....right.

Say, what was the principal? Obviously not a FEMALE. (And I've checked, HE isn't.) Why didn't you label him as you did the FEMALE referees?

As I said, you obviously have other problems with these "referees."

[GreeneFam]

And you obviously have issues with men.

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by GreeneFam

The fact that they are females had nothing to do with anything. I did re-read my OP and agree that I used that term a lot, but I would have been just as upset if a MALE student had refereed the game. The gender was not the issue. I am sorry you are taking such offense at the adjective FEMALE.

I can only assumed I used the term FEMALE to better describe who had been chosen to officiate. If it was a middle aged white balding man, I would have said middle aged white balding man.

I agree that we should be gracious to our guests. I also agree that it is O.K. to call our guests on their evident biases. The repeated references to female officials also drew my attention.

I agree with the OP in acknowledging his assumption that the term "female" was used "to better describe who had been chosen to officiate." That assumption, however, has the evil (is that too strong a word? naw...) connotation of being less able or less qualified. That's the way it was used, anyway, and I think it's helpful for Garth to have pointed that out.

After the professed assumption, our guest didst protesteth too much. He said: "If it was a middle aged white balding man, I would have said middle aged white balding man." Actually, no he wouldn't. As another has observed, our guest did not describe the age, race or hair status of any of the men in the scenario. And, if that's how he would have described the man, why don't we know the age of the faculty member and/or the race or hair quality of either officials?

These are small points, yes, but this is not "political correctness." This is calling a bias and bias and the collective effort of all of us to root out biases (our own, as well as others') will strengthen our society. IMHO.

[cloverdale]

michgan requires all officials to be registered to officiate any high school basketball games...

[chartrusepengui]

the rule about not starting with only one registered official is statewide. Another thought - kids 17 -18 can be registered in WI. They receive a "restricted" card which enables them to officiate any sub-varsity contests. My daughter did that a year ago. Got started with MS tournaments and this year has worked up through JV after attending a participating in a couple officials camps this summer.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GreeneFam

No I know this for a fact, one official was a substitute teacher, the other was student, still dressed in her JV volleyball practice uniform. The teacher MAY have been registered, but I find that a stretch. And after emailing the principal he acknowledge that there were no registered officials present.

Well considering that there are a high percentage of officials that are teachers, you could be very wrong. I know a lot of coaches that retired from coaching and became an official or are an official in another sport outside of the sport they coach. Ed Hightower is a School Superintend in Edwardsville, Illinois and has worked in the Big Ten for years. Rick Hartzell is a Big Ten Official and is a college at AD at Northern Iowa (which I am sure he has a teaching background as well). I even think Hank Nichols has a PhD and was a teacher in his background. These are just famous examples, I could go on and on with all the state final officials in my area that are teachers.

Peace

[fonzzy07]

Originally Posted by GreeneFam

No I know this for a fact, one official was a substitute teacher, the other was student, still dressed in her JV volleyball practice uniform. The teacher MAY have been registered, but I find that a stretch. And after emailing the principal he acknowledge that there were no registered officials present.

I am a senior in highschool, registered and from what I am told I am becoming a good official. Maybe she is registered, and the school knew that so when they needed someone last minuite they asked her and since she did not know she did not bring her gear with her.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by fonzzy07

I am a senior in highschool, registered and from what I am told I am becoming a good official. Maybe she is registered, and the school knew that so when they needed someone last minuite they asked her and since she did not know she did not bring her gear with her.

Could be. But if you re-read the thread you'll see where Greene posted the admins stated neither were registered.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by GreeneFam

No I know this for a fact, one official was a substitute teacher, the other was student, still dressed in her JV volleyball practice uniform. The teacher MAY have been registered, but I find that a stretch. And after emailing the principal he acknowledge that there were no registered officials present.

Are you serious? This has to be a made-up story. A female student who was a JV volleyball player? I know the mindset of girls JV volleyballers or girls at the JV level in any sport. I have a dughter in high school and sisters who were much younger than me and to think that they may come out of wherever to officiate a boys frosh game is hilarious ... not to mention, very unlikely. How bad was this game to watch. even if it was a JV boys basketball player - seriously doubt this happened.

No mention of how they officiated the game. Not going to say anyhting about the sub teacher, but the JV Volleyball player may have used the travel signal for subs and can't imaine what the whistle analysis sheet may have looked liked? This is a hoax! A guy just decided to think out loud on this site.