"Team Control" Mechanics
 

Dumb question.....but, anyone having difficulties with the new mechanics regarding "Team Control" foul action? Remembering to use the appropriate signal...administering the throw-in at POI.....how you communicate to partners and scorer's table....etc.....also, if opposing team is in bonus, we do not shoot bonus!

It's been a tough adjustment. Is it just me....or are others experiencing this same transition problem? :(

Any hints or experiences that can be shared to help make this change easier to adjust to? :confused:

the biggest problem i am having is when i am trail/center coming up with the stop clock/foul signal with my "inside" arm so that i can do the "punch" in the opposite direction. we were told by our association that this is how they want it done so that the team control punch is in the direction where the ball will be going at the same time that the stop clock fist is up.....previously i have always stopped the clock with the same arm on every foul call, now i am having to conciously switch depending on which direction we are going which is EXTREMELY awkward....in terms of the mechanic itself, if i am going in the "right" direction=) it is stop clock, tc fist in direction ball will be going followed by preliminary signal (block, push, etc) then a point to the throw-in spot....i think the key is to do it consistently and slow so that partners/everyone else picks it up..

You know what you're supposed to be doing as far as mechinics, so my advice is to slow down. Just relax, keep your fist in the air while you gather your thoughts and then go about your business. When I was new, the problems I had with mechanics were just that I'd get excited and in a hurry. Remember, after you hit your whistle and stop play, nothing is going to happen until you take care of what you need to do.

It's just you. ;)

Seriously, the rule has been around for 1.5 years, so that shouldn't be a problem. The specific mechanic might be, but my guess is that no one is really watching.

I had one the other night on a post player who was locking down his defender. The mechanics the FED wants just don't come naturally to me. On my play I came out with: fist, then punch, followed by the non-existant and illegal lockdown signal. When I reported to the table I gave color, number, and punch, and pointed to the throw-in spot.

It wasn't by the book, but everyone in the gym (including my supervisor) knew what I was calling.

so is everyone else but me ambidextrous or is anyone else having a problem coming up with the correct hand? i find myself often in the situation where i am having to stop the clock and give the tc signal with the same hand....not the end of the world, but not the "correct" mechanic either....easiest when you are lead, straight out in front of you!

It's not the mechanic? Does it say somewhere to use the hand that is not used to stop the clock? I don't have any problem with the way you describe, unless I'm missing something.

Ohio has us not use the punch. We use the hand behind the head player control foul signal for ALL team control fouls. No Punch.

My problem is that I have a tendancy to punch the direction in an effort to sell the call. During one game, one of my assignors complemented me on my mechanics. The very next game, I was dinged for the punch!! Well. Which is it?????:confused:

Nope. It is very easy to use the signal and definitely easy to know when it applies.

If you know the rule, not sure why it is hard to know when to apply the rule or the signal? For the most part you are calling this foul on screens and post play. I have yet to see or call on a loose ball that is a TC foul (interrupted dribble for example).

Peace

So you're not using the NFHS mechanic in your state? :eek:

Some of us don't care which hand we use. I use my left hand on some fouls, the right on others.

Bigger fish to fry, if you ask me (which you didn't).

I don't think I've used the stop clock mechanic before an out of bounds call in 10 years. Amazingly enough, the clock always stops anyway :)

I have bird-dogged twice this season. It made me feel quite nostalgic.

Hey Rich.....you don't have to be a "smarty pants"! :D

Which State? Confusion or Ohio. (Some might say thats redundant).

No Ohio does not use the Federation mechanic. But then, Ohio has always done things their own way.

OK, I exaggerate. I'll use the stop clock when I have to look to a partner to bail me out cause I didn't see the ball shoot out of bounds. Tends to happen once in a while baseline opposite side 3-person (when it shoots out quick) and above the FT line extended on my side 2-person. ;)

if you use different hands then you are in better shape than me, that is my point, because i generally signal all fouls with my left fist up first...if i am T and basket is to my right, the mechanic would be to come up with my right fist and punch the other way w/my left....for C at the same basket it would be the opposit, come up w/ left fist (closest to basket) and punch the other way w/ right fist..agree w/ you that there are bigger fish, but some assignors will ding you for mechanics and it is just one of those things you have to do over and over to get get comfortable -- and how many TC calls do you make in a game, 1, 2? hard to get used to...

There is no rhyme or reason to which hand I use, although in the team control situation when I'm the trail or center, I think I tend to use the outside hand cause I bring it up and then punch with it. As the lead, it really doesn't matter, does it?

I know some assignors are anal about this -- one college assignor at a camp I went to last year requires his officials to ALWAYS call fouls with the outside hand. Figured he must have a pretty good staff if that's one of his big concerns, which it seemed to be.

And if I was in the stands evaluating you........

You'd see nothing on the sheet. If I ever tried to put down "called foul with wrong hand", I 'd burst out laughing before I could finish. As you said though, some do care. Ya gotta know your audience.

On the "stop clock" signal though, I have seen that one come into play. Playdowns and the evaluators gotta choose someone to go to the next round or a championship game....you have 2 officials that are about as close in actual game-calling ability as you can find..... the official using the "stop-clock" signal will get the nod because whoever is evaluating has to have some kinda reason for choosing one official over another. That might be the only one that they can find.

you are right on the lead it wouldn't matter....gotta love the consistency among associations with a federation mechanic...the whole inside hand up, opposite punching the other way that i was told is contrary to what you were told...granted that was a college assignor, but still i guarantee there is not consistency in HS even as to how this is being taught...and as JR says sometimes as silly as it is an evaluation could come down to something like that....i am not a state finals caliber official at this point, but would like to be at some point and i would like to develop the correct habit...if i could only find out what the correct habit is:)

Depends where you are. I've seen a lot of college officials on TV working our state tourney the past few seasons and none of them even bother with the mechanic.

If I was evaluating (and I have in the past), I would only dock for mechanics that looked robotic or clunky or made it difficult for people to understand what the official was calling.

For example, I see a lot of JV officials around here stop the clock on an out of bounds violation and then simply say the color shirt while the hand stays up as if they don't know which way to point. Sitting in the stands, I have no idea which direction that official called until the ball's put in play. THAT would lose points.

A solid point accompanied by the shirt color with no stop clock mechanic would not cost on an evaluation.

Team Control Punch
 

I hate to admit this, but twice this year, during a throw-in situation, as the nonadministering official, I've seen illegal screens by the offensive team, and used the punch signal to indicate a team control foul. In the first case my partner told me that the ball hadn't been inbounded yet, so no team control, and no team control foul. The second time, after I punched, I observed that the inbounder still had the ball, and I gave the correct signals at the table. The only good thing about this is that it proves that I'm not looking outside my primary and "ball watching".

what does "administering the throw-in at POI" have to do with Team Control fouls?

I would tell you to stop making this so hard. There are fouls on the offenseplayer control and team control ), fouls on the defense, and fouls when a team is neither ( I would call it a loose ball but that would confuse it with the NBA)...Since defensive fouls and when there is no team control are pretty much the same, you have two choices- If it aint offense then it is a "normal" foul (bonus applies etc)

(Many of the guys in my area yell "offense" when making either player control or team control and have some sort of punch/throw...If you signal team control or player control the score's table will get it,

You can also report----White 33, illegal screen, foul is team control; no shots, ball OOB. Does not take much longer and you are communicating. Your partner should be able to figure it out...

If there is a foul on the throw-in I usually talk with my partner so we get it right...

Great comments and observation. You are correct in your clarification of my flub on "administering the throw-in at POI". Thanks for clearing that up for me.

The mechanic as you describe is how I have been doing it. It forces me to "take my time" to get it right! All I am saying is that it's a process of finding the "comfort level" of working the mechanic.

Thanks....Kelvin for the help! :)

Rich, if you want to go anywhere in the WI State Tournament Series I would stongly suggest using the stop clock mechanic on out of bounds plays.

I guess that doesn't apply to the "college officials" I saw working the state tournament on TV last year. Or the year before. :D

Please note that what I post here is 90% tongue-in-cheek.

It's OK, regardless. I'm aware that someone with the power to assign me may read this and think I'm 100% serious. I could decide to create another user ID or stop posting entirely or be entirely serious all the time. Life's too short and for me this is a hobby I happen to enjoy that earns me some bucks.

It's why I don't care much that I have my name attached to these posts rather than some anonymous nom-de-net. I've come to realize that I'm not going anywhere in basketball (they don't want a short, fat guy on TV, for example :) ), so my focus is mainly on the regular season and having a good time doing what I'm doing. Any post-season games are just gravy for me and appear to be randomly assigned anyway.

Baseball season is just around the corner, provided I don't have a torn ligament in my knee. I'll find out later today. And I do have different goals and aspirations for baseball and football than I do basketball. And I think that's OK, too.

Rich,

You are right there are some "college officials" that don't follow this mechanic at the state tournament, and a bunch of them are not back this year.

I've PMed the 3 Wisconsin officials on this thread. I don't like whining in public.

How do you know this? Has your post-season already started? I'm just curious how you know who's working and who's not.

Here are my attitudes about mechanics (or uniforms). Who ever you work for, if they have rules that you must comply to you should follow the rules if you want to reep the benefits of everything that league or level holds. You cannot complain if they choose to hold you back because they do not give you a shot if you purposely ignore obvious procedures and guidelines.

Having said that I have found myself using the TC signal incorrectly (not on purpose) and I know that when observed that could be a downgrade and hurt me in some way. But I do most things correct, I hustle and I think I call the game better than most. But I cannot complain if someone says this mechanic flaw is why they hold me back.

It is their ball. they can do what they want to with it. ;)

Peace

Assigned in mid-January.

I'm done. Dislocated patella. Slight LCL tear which the doc thinks may have been there for years and likely has nothing to do with anything (just showed up on the MRI).

So PT starts tomorrow and I try to get back for my first baseball date (a college DH in late March).

Rich,

Get better soon. I hope you feel better.

Peace

Don't let the azzholes cut. That's a last resort.

Aisle seats only on the plane now, with the bad leg on the outside. Bulkhead is the best. Limp a lot checking in and you might get upgraded for free too.

Git-R-Done, Rich!

What's "PMed" ??? :confused:

It means to send a "Private Message" through the forum. Click on a poster's name and it gives you some choices. One of them is to send a PM. It's like a short email.