travel or play on
 

A1 goes up for a shot being gaurded by B1. B1 knocks the ball out of A1 hands while A1 on his way up for shot. A1 regains control of ball while in air and returns to floor. Is this traveling or not??:confused:
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Nope, no travel, play on.

Here's a twist, same sitch, only this time player just fumbles the ball in the air but is able to regain control before landing. What ya got now?

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That's what I thought but cannot find a clear cut answer in the case book.

I think the thing here is control. Once the ball is release for a shot, then the player can get the ball back, plus it was blocked which allows him to recover it also.

SECTION 5 ILLEGAL DRIBBLE
A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 . . . A try for field goal.
ART. 2 . . . A bat by an opponent.
ART. 3 . . . A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by, another player.

We argued this one to death before, with no definitive ruling or consensus iirc. Some say travel(me). Some say legal.

JR, NCAA 4-18.4 A.R.82 says it is ok to recover in the air and land. Can not start a dribble.

That was brought out too during the extensive discussion. There's no similar ruling available in NFHS.

I agree. Would like to see a case play in NFHS rule book.

Don't interfere with flow or play by blowing a whistle on a play that you think is a walk. If you don't know and/or are unsure, don't blow, you've just disrupted the game with a guess and an uneducated one at that.

bbtaylor64 are you the authority on when an official makes an eneducated guess?

Travel in this sitch. No shot attempt, no contact by another player, just jumping in the air and fumbling the ball? Pivot foot lifted off the floor, must do something with the ball.

It is a travel to start a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor. What this the case? No. A fumble is not a dribble.

It is a travel to move the feet beyond certain limits while holding the ball. Did this happen? No, the player was not holding the ball.

Cam, Cam, Cam.

Read the OP.

Player leaps in the air, fumbles the ball, regains posession, lands. That isn't a travel?

WOW!!
I think NFHS 4.44.3b says this is the case.

4.44.3b refers to after a pivot foot being established. Can you jump for a shot without establishing a pivot foot?

It also refers to a player "holding" the ball, while here, we're talking about a fumble.

Definitely not in college. Not clear in HS. But I've always liked the guideline that you can always recover your own fumble. This seems to fall under that guideline. Since the ball was fumbled, player control is lost. That makes it ok to recover and land.

I don't have a current casebook handy but I to have an older one:

Is this the case you're talking about? If so, it is only remotely related to the OP. This case is covering the case where the player starts a dribble after jumping. Fumbling the ball is NOT a dribble.

Except for explicily listed exceptions you can't travel unless you're holding the ball or start a dribble after lifting the pivot foot or jumping (both of which also require holding the ball first).

The exceptions are:

• sitting the ball on the floor then getting up and picking up the ball
• tossing the ball over an oppenents head and catching it before it hits the ground

These are all deliberate actions intended to get around a rule or to gain an advantage that have been deemed illegal by intent.

There is no support for a travel when a player accidentally loses control of the ball. In fact, there are several case plays that do say a player can retrieve a fumbled ball without traveling and without committing an illegal dribble....even if they do move their feet.

There is no rules support for making a call either way under NFHS rules.

Yes there is. If it is not listed as illegal, it is legal....no call.