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Sorry, but I highly doubt that I'd respect any official that supported this philosophy, nor would I be passing on them if I was in that situation. I've done countless tournaments over the years, with countless tournament directors worrying about staying on schedule and making suggestions about it, and not once have I passed on calls just to keep anyone on schedule. They don't want to use me again fine, I'd rather not work for someone that would trade player safety for staying on schedule anyway. Discussion requires an alternate point of view worthy of consideration, that is not the case here. |
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Let me say this to you. I was in a HS tournament this year where we where told very explicitly to "let them play" and keep the games moving. This tournament involved some of the top D1 prospects in the country and they wanted us to allow the players to showcase their talent and keep the games on time. Now we tried to do that to the best of our ability. But after a few games we just called our game. Not much we could do then just our best.
I have no problem if everyone you worked with was doing the same thing. I also feel that many times we live in fantasy world or a very moralistic ideology on this web site mainly because we are after all reading something in basically black and white. Real world officiating does not work like that. We make all kinds of judgments based on other factors. If you were not calling fouls because there were outside pressures insisting you do so, that is not something most of us can say from here. In most situations I would never let some things go because of time frame, but you were working a 7th grade boys game that are not always the most well played games around. I do not have a major problem with your approach because most of us have been in a similar situation and I seriously doubt they pitched too much of a fit over it. Peace
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Anyone who feels there's some possibility that there might be some middle ground here? Anyone who can see past the us-them black-white mentality to something approaching the possibility of judgment, flexibility, team work? |
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I had an experience today that contains some of the elements you had. I was working with a new partner in a travel league that I work every week. He was helping out the assignor. It became clear very early that we were not on the same page. He was surely competent -- both in rules and mechanics -- but he really wasn't interested in "working" these games.
I work every game properly. I hustle, I switch, I apply rules properly and fairly. He did none of those things -- and clearly resented my efforts to make him work better. He told me that he doesn't discipline coaches because nothing good comes of it. We got through the first game OK, but the second game was a problem with the visiting coach, who made it clear she did not like our officiating. She was upset that we did not call enough fouls. In the first half, her team was shooting double bonus and in the second half, there were nine fouls against the other team and three against hers. I thought we handled the game fine. Not perfect, but fine. After the game, she was demanding names, phone numbers, lawyers names (just joking) and anything else she could. Did I mention this was 5th grade girls? Division 4. (Division 1 is the "best.") Her players were not as good as the other team. That's why they lost. |
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This sounds a lot like backpeddling to me. I'm not sure what pottage is. Anything like potted meat? Careful, you know what they say is in there. All right, then.* *Carl......Sling Blade
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It really depends on the style of basketball... in a 7th grade boys game, I usually will not call a LOT of fouls.. I call the obvious, blatant ones... if something happens inside that doesn't give one player the advantage, and there are a couple bodies around, i most likely wont call it. but if it is out in the open, and its a foul, i call it. The ones down in the paint, or with 2-3 bodies around, I may or may not call it. it depends on the severity and whether or not it gives an advantage to one player/team. If the coach says anything, I can just reply with "coach, you must have had a different angle than i did" or "my view was blocked coach, i couldnt get a look at the play from any angle i took", and the complaining usually stops there. I know a lot of people may disagree with this, but to each his/her own. |
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It wasn't "take the check and run." In fact, my partner and I stayed and talked about the situation for quite a while afterward during the next game. He's a top notch ref, and I wanted to know how he could let so much go and feel okay about it. It was a valuable learning experience. Although I've learned more I expected after sharing here!! |
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There was recently a dust-up about every game being as important as the next game blah blah blah. The first sentence of your original post got my attention because I read it as you saying this game was *so* unimportant that you stopped blowing the whistle to keep it moving along.
I am definitely not in the "every game is as important as every other game" camp but I have also never let keeping the games on schedule get in the way of me calling the game right. Maybe it was just your wording but the idea you got across to me was that you stopped blowing in order to get the game done. IMO if the directors are concerned about the day's schedule they need to add 15 minutes or so to the allotted time for each game. That said, sounds like a good T and ejection.
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Okay, you pulled me back in since you finally want to "discuss" it.
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Do you want to know what that sounds like? You ignored a lot of calls because you wanted the game to be over. Coaches complained, you ignored more, until finally, one of them snapped. You know what? I would have snapped, too. Now, hopefully that isn't what happened, but I think that's how it came across to most of us.
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Rainmaker, I wasn't there. Didn't see it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but 7th grade boys games are brutal, the coach thinks he's Bobby Knight and all the parents think there little Johnny is the next Micheal Jordan. Just T him up, put his seat belt on. Your emotions got the best of you, "tough game, tough coach" you lost it for a moment. Sounds like that to me. I try to stay as far away of those games as humanly possible. I did those games earlier in my career and I almost quite reffing because of it.
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