Sold down the road

[Rich]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Geesh, if I eat all those, I'll be staying at that one baseline, while you handle the rest of the court.

Although, if it's a Sat. morning CYO game, I suppose I can do that...

I propose a 4-man crew. Two trails, two leads, no running. Maybe a couple of folding chairs.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I propose a 4-man crew. Two trails, two leads, no running. Maybe a couple of folding chairs.

Good idea.

What's the mechanic on taking your chair across the lane? Do you fold it first, or just carry it as is?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Good idea.

What's the mechanic on taking your chair across the lane? Do you fold it first, or just carry it as is?

You place chairs on each side. Better yet, just bounce/toss across the lane when necessary.

You also have to switch every 5 minutes so the trails get a chance to sit down.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I propose a 4-man crew. Two trails, two leads, no running. Maybe a couple of folding chairs.

This brings up an question of ethics.

Coach of team A buys the 4 whistle crew a box of donuts and a box -o- joe. Should we refuse it? Or accept it but risk the temptation to 'repay' the favor at some critical point in the game...

[Ignats75]

This brings up an question of ethics.

Coach of team A buys the 4 whistle crew a box of donuts and a box -o- joe. Should we refuse it? Or accept it but risk the temptation to 'repay' the favor at some critical point in the game...

Will you stop merging threads!!! I'm gonna get so confused I'm going to start quoting Old School, and then I will have to resign.

You also have to switch every 5 minutes so the trails get a chance to sit down.

Nah, they have chairs in front of the table

[REFVA]

the lower the level and the less important the game the less i think about it after

It may be a lower game but to those kids that is just as well as a NCAA championship game. IMO every game I do if I didn't do something correct It bothers me what ever the level of game it may be. I look at those lower level game a place to improve my skill and mechanics. In most cases those games is where I learn.

[deecee]

not to sound arrogant -- but i will -- generally you learn all you can up to a certain point at each level then you rely on the next to teach you more.

I have learned what i can from this level and the biggest thing I have learned is that I am done working them. just personal preference. The only youth games I do (younger than high school) is the AAU variety. And for the most part I treat these like a HS game.

Calling 50 travels and 3 second violations is great for a week or so. whats next -- well i got the held ball covered thanks to frosh/soph girls (big shout out for that) and I got the block/charge really covered with the boys side (just much quicker than the girls -- the block charge in a mens game IMO can be the most difficult call to make).

So I am not saying the game ISNT important -- I am saying in the grand scheme of things and all basketball games that the LOWER THE LEVEL = LESS IMPORTANT because A BOYS VARSITY GAME WILL NEVER BE ON THE SAME PAR AS A 7/8 GRADE GAME -- and I DONT CARE ABOUT THE KIDS SO THERE I SAID IT

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

This brings up an question of ethics.

Coach of team A buys the 4 whistle crew a box of donuts and a box -o- joe. Should we refuse it? Or accept it but risk the temptation to 'repay' the favor at some critical point in the game...

The leads get to eat and drink while sitting on the folding chairs. The trails have to manufacture a whistle when they are hungry/thirsty/tired of standing. (Kinda like how the NCAA TV officials manufacture a cheap whistle JUST AFTER getting under the 16/12/8/4 minute media timeout marks. )

[bgtg19]

Four-person crew? Worrying about when the folding chairs rotate? You guys are way overthinking this. You only need two officials and two folding chairs (and the folding chairs don't need to move ... at least not more than 14 feet). Everyone knows from where the "best looks" in the gym come.

[deecee]

why even get the chairs just sit in the stands since the fans swear they see everything and have the best angles -- why bust your butt when you can relax

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

why even get the chairs just sit in the stands since the fans swear they see everything and have the best angles -- why bust your butt when you can relax

Because if we sit in the stands they'll want some of our donuts!

That's why

[JRutledge]

Did anyone play sports at this level? If you did can you tell me what you remember about the games? Do you remember anything about the teams and the coaches? I know I cannot. I do not remember anything other than when I kind of "kicked" a kid after I was knocked down during a loose ball. The only thing I remember is my Mom was in might direct line of eyesight and gave me a look as if he was going to kick my butt right there. I remember that look and I am in my 30s. I cannot tell you anything about the game or anything outside of the game. I do not even remember how old I was, but I do remember it was a game at the local YMCA.

My senior year we made the playoffs in football and I can tell you everything down to the pre-game rituals that were used before the game. I cannot even name any of the youth team’s names that I played on and I was in all kinds of sports as a kid.

The point is you need to keep these games in perspective. They might be important for an hour, after that the kids will move on to other things. So if you have a bad experience, keep what took place in total perspective to what these games really are. Importance is also very subjective. Maybe for some that only work these games these might be the most important part of your day. I have a life outside of officiating and working any game is only going to go so far with my life and how upset I get. The fact that these games are not my aspiration or where I work mostly, this would not keep me upset and worried for 10 minutes after a game. There are varsity games that I do not put the same value on as other games that might be monumental in my career (like the game I had last night).

Peace