Kicking myself this morning

[Junker]

I'm just venting a little, but last night I should have ran the home varisty girls coach that we had. He was a pain in the rear before we even had him on the bench and got worse as the night went on. Here's the story, I'll try to keep it short, but like I said, I'm a little frustrated that I didn't run him.

JV/V girls double header at a school I've worked once before and had a great night. Things were rolling along, both JV coaches were a little chippy, but nothing that really needed to be addressed. At halftime, my partners tell me that the head varsity coach, who's standing in the corner, is complaining about the way they are calling the game. I tell them that we need to warn him and have him removed if he continues. Second half starts and mid-way through the 3rd a home player is trapped and doing everything she could possibly do wrong with the ball, eventually it ends up behind her head, I call a jump, and the H player goes to the floor hurt. I beckon the JV coach out and before she can attend to her player, she proceeds to complain about how "horrible" it was that her player could get knocked to the ground without a foul. I call that easy T. A little later, I call a block on a H player and she turns and throws her hands up right in my face, another easy T. A few minutes later, I end up over by the varsity coach who is on the bench during a dead ball. He asks me, "Bad hair day?" And I reply, "No, I was just addressing unsportsmanlike conduct that was happening on the floor." He proceeds to complain about the way we're calling the game so I reminded him nicely I thought, that he was now on the bench as an assistant and we would not be listening to him for the duration of the game. The JV coach came out and apologized for her actions and her player between games. Nice gesture, but I told her it was just part of the game sometimes, unfortunately.

So, the Varsity coach is on us from the tip. Admittedly we gave him way too much rope. I didn't really want to be the one to call the 3rd T of the night, but late in the 3rd, I'd had enough and I told my partners as much. I told them that I was going to try to stay away from him for the remainder of the game as much as possible. About a minute later he gets his T from one of my partners. I rotate over to get him on the bench and such and he calmly tells me he thinks we're doing a bad job. I respond, "Coach, you can think whatever you like, but from now on I'd suggest you don't voice that opinion." and leave. We got through the rest of the night.

Later, I found that the guy leads the league in T's every season (no kidding ). I wish I would have ran him when he complained about our bad job after his first T. I feel bad that any other crew is going to have to go in and put up with him when he acts that way. Maybe a suspension would have made at least a bit of a point with him. So, I'm kicking myself today. I think I handled it OK, but I really feel like I left one out there.

[OHBBREF]

It does sound like you left one out there -
But you also say you feel you handled it okay!

My question is this where were your partners all night?

You gave out two in the first game, late in the game one of your partners had to give one after you walked away where was the third guy?

this sounds like everyone could have had one for the evening I think sometimes you need to spread the wealth amoungst the crew -especially when you have a guy who leads the league in "T's". It is just time to bolster your stats.

[Junker]

The 2 in the first game were both clearly mine. The coach and player were right in my face. The one in the varsity game was one of my partners. I blew it by not running him while I was getting him on the bench. He's just whiner and his team is not very good. Maybe those go together?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Junker

He's just whiner and his team is not very good. Maybe those go together?

Do you think so?

Not being there I can not tell you right or wrong - reading your post - and adding prior bad acts (first game issues) I probably Whack him on the way to the bench.

I see the first two as yours - but I do not see that during both games you were the only one that the coaches and players went after (I do not get the impression that you s@#k as an official) so my comment still stands where were your partners all night long?

one of them needed to step up to the plate and "take one for the crew so to speak"

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

...I see the first two as yours - but I do not see that during both games you were the only one that the coaches and players went after (I do not get the impression that you s@#k as an official) so my comment still stands where were your partners all night long?

one of them needed to step up to the plate and "take one for the crew so to speak"

Now you are saying to spread the T's out evenly over two totally different games? Puh Lease!

[OHBBREF]

A number of years ago I was working a game with a first year D1 official (now works Con USA A10 and I think Big east), the coach for one team had been riding us pretty hard from the tip but nothing completely out of line to get him for. The ball is being inbounded by this official as the trail in the back court I am the slot right in front of this coaches bench awaiting the inbound and the ref yells up the floor to me "Next time he opens his mouth to complain - you Toss him" loud enough for everyone in the gym to hear.

Coach sat down and coached his team the rest of the night and we had a productive evening.


Not necessarily recomended but it was effective that night.

[OHBBREF]

No that is not what I am saying -
I am saying that apparently they were either spending the whole night on Junkers back in both games - or the other two officials have a no spine or a high tolerance for getting ridden by coaches all night.

First time that coach starts in he gets warned that he is done officiating for the night and told my crew that that was the case - then there is no reason not to whack the fool if he keeps it up and anyone can do it.

Coaches and players have to adapt to how we officiate we do not adapt to how they complain.

[tomegun]

I don't agree at all when someone says, "Where were your partners." Many times one official is in a position to call multiple technical fouls; that is just the way it is. Similarly, we don't try to spread out common fouls evenly so technical fouls shouldn't be any different when they happen during different times of the game.
I think your only mistake is one of my pet peeves. You had too much dialogue with the coach after your partner gave him a T. You could have simply told him he must remain seated and then showed him your backside. What makes the dialogue worse is the fact that it was the second half and you didn't have to be all the way down there by him anyway. To add to the whole situation, you know you had wanted to T the coach all night and even though you didn't call the T felt the same way the calling official did. If you would have told him he had to sit and taken a position half way between the sideline and center circle in the front court the coach would have had to act like a jerk to communicate with you. Then, whack away!

[Adam]

Jeff, do you need me to fly out there and handle your coaches?

By the way, which school?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I don't agree at all when someone says, "Where were your partners." Many times one official is in a position to call multiple technical fouls; that is just the way it is. Similarly, we don't try to spread out common fouls evenly so technical fouls shouldn't be any different when they happen during different times of the game.
I think your only mistake is one of my pet peeves. You had too much dialogue with the coach after your partner gave him a T. You could have simply told him he must remain seated and then showed him your backside. What makes the dialogue worse is the fact that it was the second half and you didn't have to be all the way down there by him anyway. To add to the whole situation, you know you had wanted to T the coach all night and even though you didn't call the T felt the same way the calling official did. If you would have told him he had to sit and taken a position half way between the sideline and center circle in the front court the coach would have had to act like a jerk to communicate with you. Then, whack away!

Tom, you would have been happy with my partner last night.

GV/2-man crew.

In the 2nd half I hit the visiting HC with a T (my first T on a coach this season -- for those interested: I'm L table-side near his bench; he came out the box to complain about a call, I told him he needed to get back in his box and told him that was his warning, as he walks back to the top of the box he turned his head back over his shoulder says loud enough for me to hear "Shut up!"...I was appalled I tell you, just appalled ) Anyway, I digress.

I go L to administer the free throws and my partner goes across court opposite the table and monitors the players. After the 1st free throw HC is still up. So I communicate to my partner that the coach is still up and I wait as my partner goes over to the HC and and straps him in to the child seat . After my partner returns to his original position I administer the 2nd free throw.

Fast forward to the post-game. In locker room my partner asks me what I T'd the coach for. After my explanation my P tells me that after the T the coach kept yelling for him to come over and talk. My partner said he ignored him. Then when my P walked over to seatbelt the coach the coach wanted to talk and but my P told him "Coach, I'm only here to tell you you've lost your coaching box privileges". The coach then asked to my P to walk him to his seat. My partner responded "We're not going talk right now" and walked away.

Fast forward