What would you do?

Johnny Ringo · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 07, 2007, 11:08pm

A1 scores a basket off a fastbreak play. B1 is hustling behind and can't catch up in time ... as the ball comes through the hoop and to the floor, B1 kicks the ball into the wall in an attempt to pick it up. The wall is close and is kicking motion was clear to the official that it was his effort to pick it up. He ctaches the ball as it rebounds off the wall and turns quickly to throw in.

Now, I was asked what I would do in this situation, but am curious to what you all say.

My thought was to tell/warn B1 not to do that again or call a delay of game warning on Team B.

The asking official said: Is this not intenionally striking the ball with foot or leg and should this be called a violation and ball awarded back to Team A?

I ask you all ...

Nevadaref · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 07, 2007, 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

A1 scores a basket off a fastbreak play. B1 is hustling behind and can't catch up in time ... as the ball comes through the hoop and to the floor, B1 kicks the ball into the wall in an attempt to pick it up. The wall is close and is kicking motion was clear to the official that it was his effort to pick it up. He ctaches the ball as it rebounds off the wall and turns quickly to throw in.

Now, I was asked what I would do hear, but am curious to what you all say.

My thought was to tell/warn B1 not to do that again or call a delay of game warning on Team B.

The asking official said: Is this not intenionally striking the ball with foot or leg and should this be called a violation and ball awarded back to Team A?

I ask you all ...

1. A violation cannot be committed during a dead ball. If the official deems that the ball was still dead following the goal and not yet at the disposal of Team B, then there can be no violation for kicking the ball.

2. Unless it was an unsporting act, I would likely ignore it. I wouldn't even warn the player. Then again I also ref soccer.

BktBallRef · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 07, 2007, 11:35pm

Nothing from me.

It's like slamming the ball to the floor. As long as he catches it when it bounces, I've got nothing.

HawkeyeCubP · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 08, 2007, 12:12am

As long as no deception is involved, no violation. 9.2.2.A

Old School · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 08, 2007, 08:33am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. A violation cannot be committed during a dead ball.

Not so sure I agree with this. The ball may be dead but the clock is still running after a made basket. Technically, I would not call anything on this, but maybe warn the player later not to that again. However, one thing you can do is once the ball is kicked, start your 5 second count. That way if the ball doesn't bounce back directly to the player, and he has to run somewhere to retrieve it and then inbound it. 5 second violation, team A ball.

Nevadaref · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 08, 2007, 02:06pm

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
1. A violation cannot be committed during a dead ball.

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Originally Posted by Old School

Not so sure I agree with this. The ball may be dead but the clock is still running after a made basket.

Determining if the ball is live or dead has nothing whatsoever to do with the clock running or being stopped.
Note that the clock is stopped while players attempt FTs, but the ball is certainly live otherwise no points could be scored.

Now you wouldn't allow a player to drop kick the ball through the basket during a FT on the premise that it has to be legal because the clock is stopped, right?

BTW what violation do you think could be committed during a dead ball?

bob jenkins · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 08, 2007, 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BTW what violation do you think could be committed during a dead ball?

Swinging elbows?

Nevadaref · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 08, 2007, 08:36pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Swinging elbows?

I thought about that Bob, and I wouldn't make that call.
The language of the penalty implies that this action happens while the ball is live.
PENALTY: (Section 13) The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation. (See 6-7-9 Exception d)

Heck, if the player made unintentional contact with an opponent during a dead ball, we can't even call a common foul against him. It wouldn't make sense to allow for a violation to be called during this same time.

WhistlesAndStripes · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 08, 2007, 12:17am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Now, I was asked what I would do hear, but am curious to what you all say.

h-e-r-e

Johnny Ringo · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 08, 2007, 12:22am

Would you believe I am a writer and that's what I do for a career. I guess that's why we have editors. Let me guess Whistles & Stripes - you are an editor?

WhistlesAndStripes · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 08, 2007, 12:28am

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Would you believe I am a writer and that's what I do for a career. I guess that's why we have editors. Let me guess Whistles & Stripes - you are an editor?

No, I would not believe that, and no, I am not an editor. However, my sophomore English teacher in high hchool used to tell me what a good writer I was when I applied myself.