What would you do?
 

A1 scores a basket off a fastbreak play. B1 is hustling behind and can't catch up in time ... as the ball comes through the hoop and to the floor, B1 kicks the ball into the wall in an attempt to pick it up. The wall is close and is kicking motion was clear to the official that it was his effort to pick it up. He ctaches the ball as it rebounds off the wall and turns quickly to throw in.

Now, I was asked what I would do in this situation, but am curious to what you all say.

My thought was to tell/warn B1 not to do that again or call a delay of game warning on Team B.

The asking official said: Is this not intenionally striking the ball with foot or leg and should this be called a violation and ball awarded back to Team A?

I ask you all ...

1. A violation cannot be committed during a dead ball. If the official deems that the ball was still dead following the goal and not yet at the disposal of Team B, then there can be no violation for kicking the ball.

2. Unless it was an unsporting act, I would likely ignore it. I wouldn't even warn the player. Then again I also ref soccer. ;)

Nothing from me.

It's like slamming the ball to the floor. As long as he catches it when it bounces, I've got nothing.

As long as no deception is involved, no violation. 9.2.2.A

h-e-r-e :D

Would you believe I am a writer and that's what I do for a career. I guess that's why we have editors. Let me guess Whistles & Stripes - you are an editor? :)

No, I would not believe that, and no, I am not an editor. However, my sophomore English teacher in high hchool used to tell me what a good writer I was when I applied myself.

Nothing...like the others have said.

Well, it's true. I am a writer and have a journalism degree from Iowa State University. Thanks for pointing out my mistakes.

Don't take it personal.

:D

Main Entry: per·son·al·ly http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif
Pronunciation: <TT>'p&rs-n&-lE, 'p&r-s&-n&-</TT>
Function: adverb
1 : in person [attend to the matter personally]
2 : as a person : in personality [personally attractive but not very trustworthy]
3 : for oneself : as far as oneself is concerned [personally, I don't want to go]
4 : in a personal manner [don't take this personally]

Good Lord! How many former Ames residends post on this board, anyway?

Too many...:D

Not so sure I agree with this. The ball may be dead but the clock is still running after a made basket. Technically, I would not call anything on this, but maybe warn the player later not to that again. However, one thing you can do is once the ball is kicked, start your 5 second count. That way if the ball doesn't bounce back directly to the player, and he has to run somewhere to retrieve it and then inbound it. 5 second violation, team A ball.

Why would you have considered giving a "delay of game" warning? Didn't he speed the game up by kicking the ball against the wall? :confused:

This thread reminds me of a Rec League play I had a couple years ago:

Team A is running their offense in the front court (I know, in Rec ball this is either an oxymoron or a conumdrum). A2 throws a pass back to A1 who is unguarded near mid-court. A1 drops the ball and it rolls slowly into the backcourt. A1 chases the ball into the backcourt but doesn't touch it. When the ball is 1/2 way between the half-court circle and the 3-point line B1 & B2 finally catch up and converge on the ball. Just as B1 goes to reach for the ball A1 kicks the ball very hard and it sails OOB towards B's basket.

Of course I call a ....... wait... here it comes....gee, I forget if I called a 'kicked ball' or a 'b/c violation'. Either way Team B is screaming for me to call a technical foul. For amusement sake I ask why. Someone says "because he intentionally kicked the ball", so I say "but kicking the ball is a only a violation" and they respond "it should be a tech because he kicked it so hard". I could only laugh at that argument. What's really bad for Team B is that they lost by 1-point on a 3-pointer at the buzzer from halfcourt and I had clock responsibilities for the play. They really didn't like me then.

He pointed out only one mistake.

personal

adjective
1. concerning or affecting a particular person or his or her private life and personality; "a personal favor"; "for your personal use"; "personal papers"; "I have something personal to tell you"; "a personal God"; "he has his personal bank account and she has hers" [ant: impersonal]
2. particular to a given individual
3. of or arising from personality; "personal magnetism"
4. intimately concerning a person's body or physical being; "personal hygiene"
5. indicating grammatical person; "personal verb endings"

Looks like my usage was just fine.

No, you used the word as an adverb. It explained how you did not want him to take your comment. Thus you needed an "ly" at the end. I even included the example sentence from the dictionary for you, which is nearly identical to what you wrote.

But don't believe me, we can wait for rainmaker to show up and tell you the same thing. :D

You can never have too many well educated Iowa State folks around. Part of the reason may be the great IM staff at ISU that trains officials. I didn't work with them while in college, but they were a tremendous help to me later when I was talked into officiating. As for the OP, I'd ignore this situation. They aren't gaining anything or really delaying the game by kicking the ball. Besides, if they don't catch the kicked ball it hurts the team going to offense by allowing the defense time to set up. The only time I can see warning for this action would have been if B was trying to waste time to preserve a lead.

I like the backcourt violation on this one. Touching precedes kicking.:D

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1. A violation cannot be committed during a dead ball.
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Determining if the ball is live or dead has nothing whatsoever to do with the clock running or being stopped.
Note that the clock is stopped while players attempt FTs, but the ball is certainly live otherwise no points could be scored. :eek:
Now you wouldn't allow a player to drop kick the ball through the basket during a FT on the premise that it has to be legal because the clock is stopped, right?

BTW what violation do you think could be committed during a dead ball? :confused:

Swinging elbows?

What is this, the football board?

Nah, but I mentioned this before when we were discussing the whole semantics of the kicking violation vs. holding the ball with the legs.:)

I thought about that Bob, and I wouldn't make that call.
The language of the penalty implies that this action happens while the ball is live.
PENALTY: (Section 13) The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation. (See 6-7-9 Exception d)

Heck, if the player made unintentional contact with an opponent during a dead ball, we can't even call a common foul against him. It wouldn't make sense to allow for a violation to be called during this same time.

SamIam ... I said mistakes because he has done this in other posts. I think that poster may be an English teacher nad is obsessed with "grading papers."

Count me in! Graduating class of 1980.

I believe that's spelled 'inmates'.

a-n-d

Not an english teacher either. But I was a 6th grade spelling bee champion.

Was that the word that got you into the quarterfinals?

Probably not, but his opponent in the finals had THIS one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus

I would give him a flagrant technical foul.

What was the question again? :)

This is of course after you gave the stop sign. :p

Peace