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truerookie Sun Jan 07, 2007 09:46pm
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Originally Posted by BOBBYMO
You would think so but its not the case with these...

Here is a link with a pic of the type of headbands I am talking about.
http://fallsevents.com/inertia2006/2...ges/p0038.html


That's not a headband that's a bandage.;)

mplagrow Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by truerookie
That's not a headband that's a bandage.;)

Hey, I remember that from the lobotomy. . . .

BillyMac Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:26pm
And/Or
 
From NevadaRef: "When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color"

NevadaRef: The "and/or" is giving me some problems. If all the players on the red team are wearing red headbands and white wristbands, then they are all wearing the same color headbands and the same color wristbands. Does that satisfy the uniform requirements ? I'm not disagreeing with you, I would just like another citation, for example a casebook citation, that doesn't contain the term "and/or".

Mountaineer Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:26pm
In WV, girls have gone to wearing prewrap as a head band. Now before everyone gets up in arms about the illegality, we called our state interpreter who in turn called Mary Struckoff and we were told LEGAL. What a bunch of crap. Maybe they will address it next year - but it was obvious they didn't want to address it this year.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by Mountaineer
In WV, girls have gone to wearing prewrap as a head band. Now before everyone gets up in arms about the illegality, we called our state interpreter who in turn called Mary Struckoff and we were told LEGAL. What a bunch of crap. Maybe they will address it next year - but it was obvious they didn't want to address it this year.
Posted on the NFHS website:

Hair-Control Devices and Headbands Clarified (11/16/06)<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P>
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There have been numerous questions recently relating to the legality of certain hair-control devices. Players may wear rubber bands, scrunchies, pre wrap and narrow, multi-colored elastic bands to hold their hair back (3-5-3d). These items are not considered headbands (3-5-3a) and therefore do not fall under the new headband rule. These items do not have to be the same color as the uniform or white, they can be of any color, they do not have to be a single color and they are not subject to the logo restrictions in 3-6. <O:P></O:P>
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Further, a ribbon worn in addition to a hair-control device is considered to be a head decoration, and is prohibited (3-5-3e). If a ribbon is being worn as a hair-control device, it would be permitted provided it is not judged to be dangerous or inappropriate by the referee (3-5-1).

Nevadaref Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac
From NevadaRef: "When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color"

NevadaRef: The "and/or" is giving me some problems. If all the players on the red team are wearing red headbands and white wristbands, then they are all wearing the same color headbands and the same color wristbands. Does that satisfy the uniform requirements ? I'm not disagreeing with you, I would just like another citation, for example a casebook citation, that doesn't contain the term "and/or".
Okay, I see your hang up. So let's look at the actual text of the rule.

3-5-3 . . . Sweatbands, headwear and head decorations must meet the following guidelines:
a. Headbands and sweatbands must be white or similar in color to the torso of the jersey and must be the same color for each item and all participants.

That seems clear to me. It seems that the NFHS wants each team to wear only one color for all of these items.

Adam Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:45pm
So if B is in red uniforms, and B2 has a red headband while B3 is wearing a white wristband, one needs to come off. Right?

Nevadaref Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:55pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
So if B is in red uniforms, and B2 has a red headband while B3 is wearing a white wristband, one needs to come off. Right?
That's my understanding of the rule.

PYRef Mon Jan 08, 2007 08:06am
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Originally Posted by PYRef
This is a ruling from the NYS Girls Basketball Officials Association for this year:

As long as the headbands are legal (single color, no more than 2” wide with only a manufacturer’s or school logo on them), allow any player to wear any color or style of headband that she desires.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Shame on them for making that ruling which is directly contrary to the NFHS
NY uses NCAA rules

bob jenkins Mon Jan 08, 2007 09:02am
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Originally Posted by PYRef
NY uses NCAA rules
The NCAA rule on this is the same as the FED rule -- white or the color of the uniform; all must match.

BktBallRef Mon Jan 08, 2007 09:47am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac
From NevadaRef: "When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color"

NevadaRef: The "and/or" is giving me some problems. If all the players on the red team are wearing red headbands and white wristbands, then they are all wearing the same color headbands and the same color wristbands. Does that satisfy the uniform requirements ? I'm not disagreeing with you, I would just like another citation, for example a casebook citation, that doesn't contain the term "and/or".
Then NFHS is saying that if players are wearing "headbands or sweatbands, or head bands and sweatbands" they must be the same color. Saying "headbands and/or sweatbands" is just a shorter way of saying the same thing.

biz Mon Jan 08, 2007 09:47am
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Originally Posted by PYRef
NY uses NCAA rules
When did that come in? When I was reffing in CNY (IAABO board 38) about 7 years ago (98-99) we used Fed rules with some minor changes (eg. shot clock).

Nevadaref Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
The NCAA rule on this is the same as the FED rule -- white or the color of the uniform; all must match.
Yep, you beat me to it, Bob.

tweetz Mon Jan 08, 2007 01:35pm
why is everyone getting this confused?
 
I've heard different opinions from different officials. geez. get it straight its not that complicated!


Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac
If a player on a team with dark blue jerseys chooses to wear a dark blue headband, can he or she wear white wristbands ?

I know that all teammates must wear the same color headbands or the same color wristbands, and the only option for either piece of equipment is the predominate color of the jersey or white, but do headbands and wristbands for the same team have to be the same color ?

Legal Examples:
White jerseys, white headbands, white wristbands.
Blue jerseys, white headbands, white wristbands.
Blue jerseys, blue wristbands, blue headbands.

Legal or illegal ?
Blue jerseys, white headbands, blue wristbands ?
Blue jerseys, blue headbands, white wristbands ?
Comments on the 2006-07 Basketball Rules Revisions

GUIDELINES FOR HEADBANDS, WRISTBANDS ESTABLISHED (3-5-3, 3-6): Headbands and wristbands must be unadorned (except for the permissible logo) and be the predominant color of the jersey or white. When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color and wear the items as intended. Only a single item may be worn on the head and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow and be a maximum of four inches. A single headband, if worn, must be no wider than two inches. There may also be one visible manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference or a school logo/mascot on the wristband or headband. The changes were made to enhance team uniformity and eliminate a player from unnecessarily drawing individual attention to him/herself. By permitting the school logo/mascot, school spirit is promoted.

so if I choose to wear a b/w striped head/wrist/sweatband, my partner must also wear striped. or I could wear solid black... or solid white, (since both are the predominant colors of my jersey) and my partner(s) would have to wear the same color as me.

HawkeyeCubP Mon Jan 08, 2007 01:46pm
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Originally Posted by tweetz
Comments on the 2006-07 Basketball Rules Revisions

GUIDELINES FOR HEADBANDS, WRISTBANDS ESTABLISHED (3-5-3, 3-6): Headbands and wristbands must be unadorned (except for the permissible logo) and be the predominant color of the jersey or white. When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color and wear the items as intended. Only a single item may be worn on the head and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow and be a maximum of four inches. A single headband, if worn, must be no wider than two inches. There may also be one visible manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference or a school logo/mascot on the wristband or headband. The changes were made to enhance team uniformity and eliminate a player from unnecessarily drawing individual attention to him/herself. By permitting the school logo/mascot, school spirit is promoted.

so if I choose to wear a b/w striped head/wrist/sweatband, my partner must also wear striped. or I could wear solid black... or solid white, (since both are the predominant colors of my jersey) and my partner(s) would have to wear the same color as me.
I believe this is incorrect. Replace "striped" with "sweatband the color of the torso of our jerseys or white," and it would be accurate. The reason is the big "or" bolded in the Comment you posted above - it doesn't say "and/or." (This, in particular, was discussed at my association's POE/Revisions meeting in November.)


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