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Zoochy Sun Jan 07, 2007 01:55pm

Fashion Police
 
Has anyone informed a player, wearing a white uniform, that it is illegal to wear a blue headband?

Adam Sun Jan 07, 2007 02:00pm

My partner did something similar last night. Black uniform and red headband.

Back In The Saddle Sun Jan 07, 2007 02:18pm

Yep. Black uni, blue wristband worn above the elbow on one team, black wristband with white uni on the other. Both took 'em off with no fuss.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 07, 2007 02:27pm

Sure. The latest was Friday night. Blue UA shirt, white jersey.

HawkeyeCubP Sun Jan 07, 2007 02:33pm

Twice so far this season.

BOBBYMO Sun Jan 07, 2007 03:04pm

Speaking of headbands, has anyone had to have a player remove a headband for being wider than 2 inches??

I have had many headbands this season that are made by Nike that are wider than 2 inches and have had the player remove the headband. I was just informed this weekend that when the headband is not worn the actual headband is not wider than 2 inches but it streches wider while being worn (made of a spandex type material).

Has anyone else seen these types of headbands and what / if anything have you done about them?

Adam Sun Jan 07, 2007 03:18pm

Shouldn't it get narrower as it stretches; not wider.

BOBBYMO Sun Jan 07, 2007 04:08pm

You would think so but its not the case with these...

Here is a link with a pic of the type of headbands I am talking about.
http://fallsevents.com/inertia2006/2...ges/p0038.html

Johnny Ringo Sun Jan 07, 2007 04:13pm

:eek: That's a big headband!!!!! Have not seen those!

Adam Sun Jan 07, 2007 04:22pm

I don't care how big it is when it's not being worn, it's the width while being worn that's important.

BillyMac Sun Jan 07, 2007 05:26pm

Matching Colors
 
If a player on a team with dark blue jerseys chooses to wear a dark blue headband, can he or she wear white wristbands ?

I know that all teammates must wear the same color headbands or the same color wristbands, and the only option for either piece of equipment is the predominate color of the jersey or white, but do headbands and wristbands for the same team have to be the same color ?

Legal Examples:
White jerseys, white headbands, white wristbands.
Blue jerseys, white headbands, white wristbands.
Blue jerseys, blue wristbands, blue headbands.

Legal or illegal ?
Blue jerseys, white headbands, blue wristbands ?
Blue jerseys, blue headbands, white wristbands ?

26 Year Gap Sun Jan 07, 2007 05:30pm

Our interpreter has stated that all players much match. Home teams are easy--white is the only acceptable color. But, if away team is red, ALL headbands AND wristbands must EITHER be red or white. If one kid has red and one has white, the coach is the tiebreaker as to which color wins or if there are none to be worn that night.

bob jenkins Sun Jan 07, 2007 05:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac
If a player on a team with dark blue jerseys chooses to wear a dark blue headband, can he or she wear white wristbands ?

No s/he cannot

PYRef Sun Jan 07, 2007 05:57pm

This is a ruling from the NYS Girls Basketball Officials Association for this year:

As long as the headbands are legal (single color, no more than 2” wide with only a manufacturer’s or school logo on them), allow any player to wear any color or style of headband that she desires.

This is the state's variation of the NCAA rules.

Frankly, I think too much of a big deal is made over the color of headbands.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 07, 2007 08:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac
... but do headbands and wristbands for the same team have to be the same color ?

COMMENTS ON THE 2006-07 RULES REVISIONS
GUIDELINES FOR HEADBANDS, WRISTBANDS ESTABLISHED (3-5-3, 3-6): Headbands and wristbands must be unadorned (except for the permissible logo) and be the predominant color of the jersey or white. When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color and wear the items as intended. Only a single item may be worn on the head and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow and may be a maximum of four inches. A single headband, if worn, must be no wider than two inches. There may also be one visible manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference or a school logo/mascot on the wristband or headband. The changes were made to enhance team uniformity and eliminate a player from unnecessarily drawing individual attention to him/herself. By permitting the school logo/mascot, school spirit is promoted.


Quote:

Originally Posted by PYRef
This is a ruling from the NYS Girls Basketball Officials Association for this year:

As long as the headbands are legal (single color, no more than 2” wide with only a manufacturer’s or school logo on them), allow any player to wear any color or style of headband that she desires.

:( Shame on them for making that ruling which is directly contrary to the NFHS.

truerookie Sun Jan 07, 2007 09:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOBBYMO
You would think so but its not the case with these...

Here is a link with a pic of the type of headbands I am talking about.
http://fallsevents.com/inertia2006/2...ges/p0038.html



That's not a headband that's a bandage.;)

mplagrow Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by truerookie
That's not a headband that's a bandage.;)


Hey, I remember that from the lobotomy. . . .

BillyMac Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:26pm

And/Or
 
From NevadaRef: "When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color"

NevadaRef: The "and/or" is giving me some problems. If all the players on the red team are wearing red headbands and white wristbands, then they are all wearing the same color headbands and the same color wristbands. Does that satisfy the uniform requirements ? I'm not disagreeing with you, I would just like another citation, for example a casebook citation, that doesn't contain the term "and/or".

Mountaineer Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:26pm

In WV, girls have gone to wearing prewrap as a head band. Now before everyone gets up in arms about the illegality, we called our state interpreter who in turn called Mary Struckoff and we were told LEGAL. What a bunch of crap. Maybe they will address it next year - but it was obvious they didn't want to address it this year.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountaineer
In WV, girls have gone to wearing prewrap as a head band. Now before everyone gets up in arms about the illegality, we called our state interpreter who in turn called Mary Struckoff and we were told LEGAL. What a bunch of crap. Maybe they will address it next year - but it was obvious they didn't want to address it this year.

Posted on the NFHS website:

Hair-Control Devices and Headbands Clarified (11/16/06)<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P>
<O:P></O:P>
There have been numerous questions recently relating to the legality of certain hair-control devices. Players may wear rubber bands, scrunchies, pre wrap and narrow, multi-colored elastic bands to hold their hair back (3-5-3d). These items are not considered headbands (3-5-3a) and therefore do not fall under the new headband rule. These items do not have to be the same color as the uniform or white, they can be of any color, they do not have to be a single color and they are not subject to the logo restrictions in 3-6. <O:P></O:P>
<O:P></O:P>
Further, a ribbon worn in addition to a hair-control device is considered to be a head decoration, and is prohibited (3-5-3e). If a ribbon is being worn as a hair-control device, it would be permitted provided it is not judged to be dangerous or inappropriate by the referee (3-5-1).

Nevadaref Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac
From NevadaRef: "When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color"

NevadaRef: The "and/or" is giving me some problems. If all the players on the red team are wearing red headbands and white wristbands, then they are all wearing the same color headbands and the same color wristbands. Does that satisfy the uniform requirements ? I'm not disagreeing with you, I would just like another citation, for example a casebook citation, that doesn't contain the term "and/or".

Okay, I see your hang up. So let's look at the actual text of the rule.

3-5-3 . . . Sweatbands, headwear and head decorations must meet the following guidelines:
a. Headbands and sweatbands must be white or similar in color to the torso of the jersey and must be the same color for each item and all participants.

That seems clear to me. It seems that the NFHS wants each team to wear only one color for all of these items.

Adam Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:45pm

So if B is in red uniforms, and B2 has a red headband while B3 is wearing a white wristband, one needs to come off. Right?

Nevadaref Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
So if B is in red uniforms, and B2 has a red headband while B3 is wearing a white wristband, one needs to come off. Right?

That's my understanding of the rule.

PYRef Mon Jan 08, 2007 08:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYRef
This is a ruling from the NYS Girls Basketball Officials Association for this year:

As long as the headbands are legal (single color, no more than 2” wide with only a manufacturer’s or school logo on them), allow any player to wear any color or style of headband that she desires.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Shame on them for making that ruling which is directly contrary to the NFHS

NY uses NCAA rules

bob jenkins Mon Jan 08, 2007 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYRef
NY uses NCAA rules

The NCAA rule on this is the same as the FED rule -- white or the color of the uniform; all must match.

BktBallRef Mon Jan 08, 2007 09:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac
From NevadaRef: "When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color"

NevadaRef: The "and/or" is giving me some problems. If all the players on the red team are wearing red headbands and white wristbands, then they are all wearing the same color headbands and the same color wristbands. Does that satisfy the uniform requirements ? I'm not disagreeing with you, I would just like another citation, for example a casebook citation, that doesn't contain the term "and/or".

Then NFHS is saying that if players are wearing "headbands or sweatbands, or head bands and sweatbands" they must be the same color. Saying "headbands and/or sweatbands" is just a shorter way of saying the same thing.

biz Mon Jan 08, 2007 09:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYRef
NY uses NCAA rules

When did that come in? When I was reffing in CNY (IAABO board 38) about 7 years ago (98-99) we used Fed rules with some minor changes (eg. shot clock).

Nevadaref Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
The NCAA rule on this is the same as the FED rule -- white or the color of the uniform; all must match.

Yep, you beat me to it, Bob.

tweetz Mon Jan 08, 2007 01:35pm

why is everyone getting this confused?
 
I've heard different opinions from different officials. geez. get it straight its not that complicated!


Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac
If a player on a team with dark blue jerseys chooses to wear a dark blue headband, can he or she wear white wristbands ?

I know that all teammates must wear the same color headbands or the same color wristbands, and the only option for either piece of equipment is the predominate color of the jersey or white, but do headbands and wristbands for the same team have to be the same color ?

Legal Examples:
White jerseys, white headbands, white wristbands.
Blue jerseys, white headbands, white wristbands.
Blue jerseys, blue wristbands, blue headbands.

Legal or illegal ?
Blue jerseys, white headbands, blue wristbands ?
Blue jerseys, blue headbands, white wristbands ?

Comments on the 2006-07 Basketball Rules Revisions

GUIDELINES FOR HEADBANDS, WRISTBANDS ESTABLISHED (3-5-3, 3-6): Headbands and wristbands must be unadorned (except for the permissible logo) and be the predominant color of the jersey or white. When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color and wear the items as intended. Only a single item may be worn on the head and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow and be a maximum of four inches. A single headband, if worn, must be no wider than two inches. There may also be one visible manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference or a school logo/mascot on the wristband or headband. The changes were made to enhance team uniformity and eliminate a player from unnecessarily drawing individual attention to him/herself. By permitting the school logo/mascot, school spirit is promoted.


so if I choose to wear a b/w striped head/wrist/sweatband, my partner must also wear striped. or I could wear solid black... or solid white, (since both are the predominant colors of my jersey) and my partner(s) would have to wear the same color as me.

HawkeyeCubP Mon Jan 08, 2007 01:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweetz
Comments on the 2006-07 Basketball Rules Revisions

GUIDELINES FOR HEADBANDS, WRISTBANDS ESTABLISHED (3-5-3, 3-6): Headbands and wristbands must be unadorned (except for the permissible logo) and be the predominant color of the jersey or white. When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color and wear the items as intended. Only a single item may be worn on the head and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow and be a maximum of four inches. A single headband, if worn, must be no wider than two inches. There may also be one visible manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference or a school logo/mascot on the wristband or headband. The changes were made to enhance team uniformity and eliminate a player from unnecessarily drawing individual attention to him/herself. By permitting the school logo/mascot, school spirit is promoted.


so if I choose to wear a b/w striped head/wrist/sweatband, my partner must also wear striped. or I could wear solid black... or solid white, (since both are the predominant colors of my jersey) and my partner(s) would have to wear the same color as me.

I believe this is incorrect. Replace "striped" with "sweatband the color of the torso of our jerseys or white," and it would be accurate. The reason is the big "or" bolded in the Comment you posted above - it doesn't say "and/or." (This, in particular, was discussed at my association's POE/Revisions meeting in November.)

Scrapper1 Mon Jan 08, 2007 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweetz
if I choose to wear a b/w striped head/wrist/sweatband, my partner must also wear striped.

Interesting. In making all the new headband/sweatband requirements, the rules committee deleted the "exception" from last year's book that required headbands to be a single color.

Having said that, I think (in fact, I'm pretty darn sure) that the intent of the new rule is for the headband/sweatband to be a single color. I would not allow a striped headband in my game.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 08, 2007 02:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Interesting. In making all the new headband/sweatband requirements, the rules committee deleted the "exception" from last year's book that required headbands to be a single color.

No, they didn't. :confused: Rule 3-5-3(a) says that headbands amd sweatbands must be white or similar in color to the torso of the jersy. Multi-colors r.e. stripes are still not legal.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 08, 2007 02:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweetz
I've heard different opinions from different officials. geez. get it straight its not that complicated!
...

so if I choose to wear a b/w striped head/wrist/sweatband, my partner must also wear striped. or I could wear solid black... or solid white, (since both are the predominant colors of my jersey) and my partner(s) would have to wear the same color as me.

If you are making a joke about the officials wearing headbands or sweatbands that are striped as the shirt is, then that is mildly amusing. :) Of course we know that nothing in 3-5 applies to the officials as the heading of that section is "TEAM MEMBER'S EQUIPMENT, APPAREL".

If you are talking about the student-athletes, then you are the one who is confused and evidently this rule is more complicated than you thought. :D These items must be one color.

Scrapper1 Mon Jan 08, 2007 02:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
No, they didn't.

I can't imagine why you would deny that. The exception is deleted. There is no longer an article and exception. In that exception (3-5-2, EXCEPTION 2), it was specifically stated that the headband must be "single-colored". That language was also deleted.

Quote:

Rule 3-5-3(a) says that headbands amd sweatbands must be white or similar in color to the torso of the jersy. Multi-colors r.e. stripes are still not legal.
I agree, and said as much in my previous post. That doesn't change the fact that the exception from last year's book was deleted.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 08, 2007 02:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I can't imagine why you would deny that. The exception is deleted. There is no longer an article and exception. In that exception (3-5-2, EXCEPTION 2), it was specifically stated that the headband must be "single-colored". That language was also deleted.

I agree, and said as much in my previous post. That doesn't change the fact that the exception from last year's book was deleted.

I'm not denying that the exception was deleted. There's no need for the exception though. The rules language says the exact same thing. No?

The rules <b>still</b> say that striped headbands/sweatbands are illegal, exception or no exception. That was my point.

Jimgolf Mon Jan 08, 2007 03:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweetz
so if I choose to wear a b/w striped head/wrist/sweatband, my partner must also wear striped. or I could wear solid black... or solid white, (since both are the predominant colors of my jersey) and my partner(s) would have to wear the same color as me.


:D :D

RIF.

Scrapper1 Mon Jan 08, 2007 04:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
I'm not denying that the exception was deleted.

Well, you most certainly did in post #32 above. I said it was interesting that the rules committee deleted the exception and you replied "No, they didn't". That, my petrified petulant compadre, is a denial.

Quote:

The rules <b>still</b> say that striped headbands/sweatbands are illegal, exception or no exception. That was my point.
And I said exactly that in my post #31.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 08, 2007 04:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
That, my petrified petulant compadre, is a denial.

Actaully, <b>"my petrified, petulant pissant pal"</b> might be more <i>apropos</i>.

Then.......

Shut up.

Adam Mon Jan 08, 2007 04:41pm

Don't forget "cranky."

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 08, 2007 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Don't forget "cranky."

Cranky is not alliterative.

Correct but not alliterative.

SmokeEater Mon Jan 08, 2007 04:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Then.......

Shut up.

Ahem, Nice Comeback:D ....... you seem to have to use this a lot lately.:p

Adam Mon Jan 08, 2007 04:48pm

As always, Adam's apathetic about alliteration.

Scrapper1 Mon Jan 08, 2007 04:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Shut up.

Thank you. Thank you vera much! Ladies and gentlemen, Scrappy has left the building!!

I got a 7pm game.

Jway44 Tue Jan 09, 2007 02:45pm

NC is making it a POE this year. All sweatbands/headbands shall be predominant color of jersey, or white. All players on team shall wear same color sweatbands. Also, undershirts should only be predominant color of uniform.

jmaellis Tue Jan 09, 2007 04:12pm

Since I am new to officiating BB I feel compelled to ask ...

WHO CARES what color the headband is, or if it's multicolored, or if the color of the undershirt isn't similar in color to the jersey???

Now I understand, as it relates to the officials, it really doesn't matter; it's in the rulebook and therefore it is, and I'll enforce it when/if I officiate school teams (rec. for now). But can anybody enlighten me as to why NFHS or the state associations should even care, much less, make it a POE.

HawkeyeCubP Tue Jan 09, 2007 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jway44
NC is making it a POE this year. All sweatbands/headbands shall be predominant color of jersey, or white. All players on team shall wear same color sweatbands. Also, undershirts should only be predominant color of uniform.

A point of emphasis on a Point of Emphasis, eh?:)
By the way - welcome to the Forum.:)

mplagrow Tue Jan 09, 2007 05:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Cranky is not alliterative.

Correct but not alliterative.

How about pissy?

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 09, 2007 06:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mplagrow
How about pissy?

That goes without saying.....

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 09, 2007 06:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmaellis
But can anybody enlighten me as to why NFHS or the state associations should even care, much less, make it a POE.

It doesn't matter.

Ours is not to question why
Ours is but to do or die.

lorenj Tue Jan 09, 2007 07:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmaellis
But can anybody enlighten me as to why NFHS or the state associations should even care, much less, make it a POE.

In the Comments on the 2006/07 Rules Revisions, the NFHS states that "the changes were made to enhance team uniformity and eliminate a player from unnecessarily drawing individual attention to him/herself."

jmaellis Tue Jan 09, 2007 08:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
It doesn't matter.

Ours is not to question why
Ours is but to do or die.

Ahhhhhhh .. I C!


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