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RookieDude Thu Jan 04, 2007 04:29pm

Clean mechanics for a pre-game dunk
 
Recently, I have seen a couple of pre-game dunks (or grasping of the rim) in some boys JV games I was observing.

In one...an official of the crew immediately blew his whistle and advised the player and Coach of the infraction.

In another...the officials got together and discussed the infraction...at the coaches meetings (2 min. prior to the game) the crew informed the Coach of the infraction and the penalty that would be imposed.

Maybe these sitch's will help newer officials in handling pre-game dunks. There is a certain procedure to use...what is it?

10.3.4 Sit C

Junker Thu Jan 04, 2007 04:32pm

You can do this without the whistle. I've seen it done both ways as well. I called it once in a summer league (the players were told twice to knock it off) and I used my whistle so that everyone knew what was going on. In a regular season game, I can see the advantage of just telling the coaches and reporting to the bench.

armymanjones Thu Jan 04, 2007 04:37pm

I don't use the whislte but I immediately inform the coach and the player so they know and it may deter any further infractions

Jurassic Referee Thu Jan 04, 2007 04:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Maybe these sitch's will help newer officials in handling pre-game dunks. There is a certain procedure to use...what is it?

10.3.4 Sit C

Geeze, Dudey, you laid it right out for 'em, didn't ya?:D

The case play you cited lays down the procedure that should be followed.

RookieDude Thu Jan 04, 2007 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Geeze, Dudey, you laid it right out for 'em, didn't ya?:D

The case play you cited lays down the procedure that should be followed.

Yea, JR...I guess I'm showing my "Old School" side...or should I say my softer "feminine" side...:D

Jurassic Referee Thu Jan 04, 2007 05:16pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude
Yea, JR...I guess I'm showing my "Old School" side...or should I say my softer "feminine" side...:D

Naw, you knew the <b>right</b> answer. And you own a case book.

You answered your own question though. :)

BktBallRef Thu Jan 04, 2007 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by armymanjones
I don't use the whislte but I immediately inform the coach and the player so they know and it may deter any further infractions

That's the way we've handled it the two times that it's happened in the past few years. In one case, the coach pulled his kids back to the locker room, chewed their azz and then brought them back out for a nice layup drill. :)

Raymond Thu Jan 04, 2007 08:25pm

Had this situation in my first BV game this season. My partner (R) saw it . Told me about. When the kid came near us R called the kid over and asked for his number. I recited to my partner how we were going start the game and the loss of the coach's box. My partner then walked over to the offending coach and laid it all out to him then my partner returned to his pre-game position.

During the coach's meeting we informed the opposition coach that his squad would be getting 2 free throws and the ball to start the game. After the coaches' meetings we went to the table and my partner instructed the official scorekeeper what to annotate in the book and I instructed the visitor's scorekeeper.

After the introductions and national anthem I walked the ball to the appropriate free throw lane, gave a subdued toot on the whistle, formed the T sign with my hands, visually indicated 2 shots, and bounced the ball to the shooter.

Nevadaref Thu Jan 04, 2007 08:27pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
That's the way we've handled it the two times that it's happened in the past few years. In one case, the coach pulled his kids back to the locker room, chewed their azz and then brought them back out for a nice layup drill. :)

and then took his seat on the bench! ;) Bye-bye coaching box.

bigdogrunnin Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:18pm

I like ArmyMan's post. No need to make a big scene about it. Tell the coach and the offending player. Assess the penalty to start the game and move on.

Did the officials blow their whistle when they entered the gym to let the players know they were present??

Adam Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:53am

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Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin
Did the officials blow their whistle when they entered the gym to let the players know they were present??

This is a regional/state thing.

Official99 Fri Jan 05, 2007 01:55am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
This is a regional/state thing.

You have to blow your whistle when you enter the floor?

Adam Fri Jan 05, 2007 02:16am

Not here, nor in Iowa (from where I moved to Colorado). But some states (I believe) have added this mechanic for whatever reason. I could be wrong, and it may just be a local custom somewhere. It's not, however, a mechanic mandated (or even recommended) by NFHS. The players should just know not to dunk in pregame; not like it's a new rule or something.

SmokeEater Fri Jan 05, 2007 09:44am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude

10.3.4 Sit C

Could someone post this case play. I don't get one in my association, we use NCAA rule book and local modifications.

crazy voyager Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:25am

I always use my whistle when giving pregame warnings. The reason is simply so no player can come afterwards
"why did you T me"
"you hanged on the ring"
"but you didn't warn me"
then you simply end up giving more T's then you need. I don't know if there is an official FIBA mechanic on this though


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