I agree that this is what would happen here. But, I can see where a system like has been described could be in place, and handled "professionally". In that case, I'd live with it.

A system like that would probably just be a case of expanding 5-8-4 to include other situations. You would also have to include a whole new procedure into the equation though. Right now, with correctable errors and timing/scoring/AP mistakes, we just go ahead and fix them. The rule book doesn't get pulled because the official is supposed to know <b>when</b> a mistake is made and also <b>how</b> to fix it.

I guess the logical way of doing it might be requiring that each team would have to make a rule and case book available at the table. A case book would be necessary also because of the explicit rulings contained in there to explain some cloudy language. The fun part would be if the onus was placed on the coach to show the official where he was wrong, and if the official wasn't wrong, a TO was charged for each minute or part minute used while trying to look it up.

Can you imagine a system like this being implemented at the middle school level?:eek:

The "wishful thinking" post of the day. ;)

Why would coaches waste time reading the book when they already know them better than the officials?

All travel calls are judgement? How abut kid falling to the floor with ball and ref does not call a travel, Ref screws the rule---

Player takes one step and jump stops, then pivots and travel is not called... Is that judgement? or is that a misapplication of the rules...

Hopefully you can see where I am going with this...

bud lists another of "charge on team and deciding whether to shoot FTs" --- Isnt that judgement if there was team control or not?

The coach could almost stop any play and say it was the misapplication of a black and white rule.

I will stand by my statement that allowing this is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in basketball

Did the player have control of the ball?

Did he gather the ball before or after he jumped?

There's are still judgment calls, KG.

Because there's incentive to actually know them. "What's in it for me?" Have them lose a time-out once, and they'll start reading.

Kelvin, you are looking way into that "what if's" It's rather simple and coaches understand that also. They will not protest a travel or fouls on the basis of "judgement". I will call a protest when a rule that they never heard of, like 10 seconds on the free throw line. Deciding to shot during a team control or player control foul is a protestable offence. Coaches rarely use it because it's one of the they rather just get the game going and spend 10 mins looking up a rule that they can lose a time out.

While coaching 3 weeks ago, girl from opposing team continued to take a long time at the line - we were calling for the violation, but it did not come - finally, the fourth time at the line, at 10 sec on the dot...tweet... the opposing coach went nuts.... I thought he would get a T for second... I heard the ref say to him while coming down the court - "com'n coach - I gave you guys every opportunity to speed it up, now, you need to calm it down!"... he called her 3 more times that day....

Coach M,
S. Hagerstown Lady Rebels.

Bud, just to be perfectly clear, does Missouri currently have a state "protest rule" <i>per se</i> in basketball similar to what you are talking about? Iow, something that is completely different than what is in contained in the NFHS rule book?

Yes, had it happen this past summer. In the first quarter, kid took me to 12. I couldn't believe it. First time ever and I didn't call it, but I made a note. Next time I got back to him, it was in the 4th quarter and the game on the line. He took me to 12 and I blasted him. My partner didn't like the call. Said I didn't understand the spirit of the rule. I told him that this guy took me to the limit in the 1st half and I just made sure on him afterwards. I'm sorry that the point in time in the game was critical, thems the breaks....

A litlle preventative officiating would have gone a long way in this situation, imo.

I had a sister-in-law once who just had to be able to relate. Everything you'd done, she'd done, too; better and twice. She always had to be the center of attention, and could never allow herself to be upstaged or out-experienced.

Dilbert had a character exactly like that for a while.

Not trying to show my intellectual nature. Just saying, is all. I'm more of a "Wally" fan. He's my hero.

I hate that personality trait. I have TWO sisters-in-law and a mother-in-law like that. I'm sure they're worse than your sister-in-law ever was.

Cute. <b> </b>