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Here we do a single varsity game on any given night. Most are two man with a few three man here and there. Most freshman and JV games are double headers. They went away from varsity double headers several years ago. All tourney games are three man.
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I think a lot of it depends on the pay scale. In Iowa, you didn't make as much for the 2nd game as you did for the first if you did a double header. In subvarsity, for example, it was $35 for one game and $55 for two. I don't know what the pay was there for varsity, because it varied by school, and the only varsity games I did were double headers.
Here in Colorado, each game has its own pay. Therefore, schools that are close to the city I live it generally get a fresh set of refs for each game. Also, while most varsity games are three man, there are some schools we serve that for whatever reason get two officials. Colorado has set a minimum pay for officials, and it's different for 2 vs. 3 whistle. Varsity pays $44 for 3, and $52 for 2. In the JV game I did 3 man, they just wrote 3 checks totaling the standard pay for a 2 person game. |
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I've basically given you the pay scale in my state, but if really want more detail from other areas, then start a thread about game fees. It has been done in the past on this forum.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I will start a new thread, so if others will reply on the thread "Game Fees" I would appreciate it. |
Selling the 3 man is a tough job, but really, something that the OFFICIALS need to take the lead in doing. We worked 3 man games for 2 man money for a couple of years while we got the hang of it. This year, when we presented the new contract reflecting appropriate rates for 3 officials, it was sticker shock for the schools. Their first response was, "We can't afford 3 man -- we'll take the 2 man price and have 2 officials for our games." Our association stood up and said that wasn't an option. There was a little negotiating that occurred, but we came out way ahead of what we were getting last year.
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Great idea--use that association power and go on strike! They think WE suck, wait until they see the scabs! :p |
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And don't get me started on assignors and pay-for-play at the high school level. I'd have to create another identity to rant and rave about that nonsense. I work 3 sports year-round and I'm not giving up a weekend of good baseball to work a camp to get 4-5 high school games 2 years from now. And imaref, reporting is easy -- work all your games in the same 3-person crew and just have a different official work for free each game. My regular crew has already done 6 3-person games together and I've not gotten paid, in essence, twice. Actually, it's not a big deal, really, since we don't get 1099s or W-2s -- just claim how much you actually worked for and if you have to pay someone out of your check, deduct it. |
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Hey B--
Schools find officials for their underclass games. Each official wanting to work must contact each school. The school calls when they have something open. One conference uses AssignByWeb. I asked one AD how much time is spent searching for refs: "Too much." An underclass assignor as part of an agreement to go to three-man for varsity might be possible. Officials would have to unite and demand change, but I don't see that happening even though schools need us more than we need the work. |
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I don't think three man is mandated in Illinois during the regular season, but is commonplace in northern illinois. I coach at Alden-Hebron HS and we only use 2 for Varsity games (we are working to get the AD to pay for a third). I believe that not having three officials consistently because when we get to regionals the game is called differently then our players are used to. |
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Keep your head up. If even Iowa has made the move to 3 person for the post-season, there is still hope for Wisconsin. Iowa still played 6-on-6 girls' basketball until the mid-90s! Btw, we get anywhere from $60-85 each for a V-DH or JV/V game with 3 officials. Three officials aren't mandatory during the regular season, but are encouraged. Most of the schools are open to the extra official and very few make us split 2 checks 3 ways. In the past, my crew has done that several times, but we knew the experience would be worth it when the Association and Union (yes, we have a boys' association and a girls' union) made the switch. Some schools are paying $80/per official with $25 mileage! I found one school paying $45/per for a V-DH and $30 in mileage. We won't be heading back there anytime soon. |
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