hand checking
 

What is the rule in HS Ball as to hand checking? I've watch some games where it has been allowed and other games where you can't even touch another player without a foul being called??

Rule or Interpretation? You can read the rule in the rule book. As for how people call it - everyone is different. I allow the defensive player to use the hand to find the offensive player - but they can't use it to guide them (can't keep it there). Also, two hands is an automatic whistle. Again, that's the way I call it.

I think of it kind of like a "yield sign" in traffic. If the hand impedes the ball handler or causes him to change speed or direction, it's a foul.

I agree and I always try to talk the hand down. Kinda like 3 seconds (whatever that is) - if you talk to them it helps. That is, if they leave it there beyond the "finding" of the player. Hands off guys!

Why do they need a hand to find the player? Their eyes should be sufficient.

WHat if they're playing with their eyes closed, like this:

http://www.rcl.lu/images/senior/Blind-man.jpg

I know people who ref like that. With the eyes closed, I mean. :D

That's just wrong.

TG they ran out of linoleum.

The NFHS has stated at <b>least</b> a dozen times in POE's over the years that the defender is gaining an illegal advantage by using that tactic, and it should be called. If they put a hand on and immediately take it off with no displacement <b>after</b> they have found their opponent, then I'd agree that the action isn't gaining an advantage. Before? They are gaining an advantage simply by finding the opponent.

This guy looks familiar & he needs a pair of fish nets!

This guy needs to go away. No need for such to be posted.

One thing's for sure...makes you wonder what types of websites Whistles & Stripes normally visits.

Yeah - but he is hiding an illegal logo. :p

PreGame Hand-Checking
 

Got this from a Forum member last year as part of a pregame conference:

Ball-Handler / Hand-Checking
Two hands on the ball-handler is a foul. Automatic.
One hand that stays on the dribbler is a foul.
Let’s not let a defender ride the dribbler as the ball is coming from backcourt to frontcourt.
Remember SBQ. If the dribbler’s Speed, Balance, or Quickness are affected, we should have a hand-checking foul.

I may have done some editing on it. It's been helpful to me.

You mean RSBQ. Rhythm, Speed, Balance, and Quickness. It was a term developed by NBA personnel

I know you're just trying to be complete and accurate, but the "Rhythm" part of the equation was an addition after "SBQ" first started circulating. So Billy's comments may just not have been updated. I attended at camp in '03 where NBA personnel taught us about "SBQ". The next year, the same thing was taught (by the same people) as RSBQ. Personally, I think the "R" is redundant.

Personally, I think that they were teaching the exact same concept....oh....about 30-40 years ago. It was, and is, taught as "Call the damn foul if a defender gets an advantage with a hand check". Don't go away though. There'll be a new buzzword out shortly to replace RSBQ.

Same old, same old Scrapy. Just re-inventing the wheel, is all.:rolleyes:

Btw, they're were teaching the concept in college camps long before the NBA changed their rule re: clutching and grabbing. Believe it or not, even lowly high school officials were using and teaching the exact same concept a long time ago.

If as a defender I'm allowed to _______________ the dribbler, I gain an advantage:

a. keep my hand on
b. touch off and on multiple times
c. place my arm on
d. touch with both hands (or one forearm and one hand, or both forearms)
e. one-touch "size up" (like touching a hot stove--one time quick on and off)
f. a, b, c, and d
g. all of the above

I'd answer "F".....and call a hand check. Do it consistently and early, and the players and coaches will adjust. It will clean up play and take a lot fo the "gray area" guessing out.

Many coaches I know coach their players to use their hands and arms until the officials call a hand-check 2 or 3 times so that the coaches and players can identify where the line is going to be drawn in that particular game.

Maybe. But I can honestly say that hearing SBQ gave me a more concrete basis for calling the handcheck than simply looking for a disadvantage.

Why is that any different than simply saying that if the hand-check slows the dribbler down, call the foul? Isn't that basically the criteria that's always been used anyway(since the Pleistocene Era)?:confused:

Same old, same old......

On the other side of the coin - as a former coach of 15 years - I always taught my kids two things - 1) to hand check 2) to reach. Nothing blatant, but during drills you'd hear me yelling "reach on purpose" and "hands on". Before I get castigated for teaching kids to break the rules - the reason it to teach over aggressivness. It's teaching them the limits - it's the officials job to see that they obey the rules or penalize them according to the rules. What I have found is most officials will call it between 3 and 6 times and then they become accustomed to it and stop calling it. My teams were always known as teams that played defense very hard and aggressive rather than a team that reached and hand-checked.

Now that I'm an official - knowing how I was - I wear my whistle out on it! LOL

Two hands is always a foul on the perimeter, HS college and pro. In HS and college you can do all the above except use two hands and get away with it cause there are no concrete handcheck guidelines. In the pro game the answer would be F. They have very concrete guidelines. If you use two hands, a "stayed" hand, an extended forearm, or anything, above the free throw line extended it is a foul whether their impedeing their progress or not.

Are you serious? No concrete handcheck guidelines?

I realize that you don't have a clue when it comes to high school rules. That's kind of forgivable because, as per your own admission, you'd never done a high school game of any kind in your life up until this current season. And you probably still haven't. Trust me though, the FED sureasheck <b>has</b> issued concrete handcheck guidelines. But....you also told us that you're an NCAA college official. If so, don't you own an NCAA rule book? If you do, take a look on p.184. Be damned if that page isn't labelled and doesn't talk about <b>"handchecking"</b>. :eek: Also, if you go to eofficials.com, you can watch the <b>2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video- Chapter 6 - Handchecking</b>, as put out by the NCAA for all of it's officials. I would imagine that most real NCAA officials have already seen it and used it as part of their training already.

No concrete handcheck guidelines? Lah me......

I disagree it is always a foul. What if the ball handler never moves anywhere and all you have is a defender touching the player? I give less leeway with two hands on a ball handler, but that does not mean I will stop a play as a result. I might just let the play finish and award a shooting foul instead. I do not think we should be so quick to call a handcheck just because players are touching each other. So times the defender gets completely beat and nothing happens.

Peace

I agree with Rut. Putting two hands on a ball handler is an awkward movement and might lead to getting burnt. This where that patient whistle comes in handy. Maybe I should hold my whistle in my hand in my next JV game just to force me to be patient. :)