Technical on Coach for Yelling at Partner
 

Had a situation where I warned the coach once to be quiet, I didn't get a chance to tell my partner.

Does it then look unprofessional if the coach is clearly yelling at your partner and you come in from across the court and give the coach a technical? It seems like it might be almost like calling out of your area, but would that be tolerated in this instance?

Thoughts? What would you do?

My judgment would take into account a few other factors.Is your partner a rookie?What is the coach yelling about?Is your partner the crew chief and is he/she dealing/
When I am reading some of you guys posts I get the impression that the southern hemisphere style of reffing has a different slant-here it is more of an emphasis on managing the game not what is neccessarily by the rulebook and we use advantage/disadvantage a lot.That is not a critcism merely an observation

I think we as veterans all struggle to a certain extent with this. Is your partner a rookie, is the starting point. If he is...I am not going to protect him unless a coach goes over the line...otherwise unless we let the rookie fight his own battles, he won't advance. Is it a packed house? If it is, I can tollerate a little more. And, did we create the chaos? If we did then I am always going to let the coach go a little bit further. I may even, with a rookie, go over to a coach, find a wet spot on the floor (since i am not going to give a d-o-g warning for that) and wipe it out and tell the coach, I am here, get it out of your system --I am going to put the ball in play and we are going to forget about it.

What difference should either of those situations <b>ever</b> make? An unsporting act is an unsporting act. A packed house? What difference does that make? The fans should <b>never</b> be a factor in any decision that you make. <b>Never!</b> And, what an official has done should also <b>never</b> be used as an excuse for letting any unsporting behavior go.

Sorry, Jon, but it sounds to me that you're just looking for excuses <b>not</b> to call a deserved technical foul.

If you have already warned the coach, he has been put on notice. I wouldn't be concerned about the T coming from "out of area." The coach is creating the issue, he has been told that his concerns have been heard. Now, play ball or have a seat for the rest of the game.

Who cares about looks, and no it is not unprofessional, and if you gave him a technical after you warned him, good job. If the coach is venting at my partner and he's not swearing or trying to show my partner up by jumping up and down, kick the chair, throw the clipboard down. Short of anything like this, it is not illegal. That's what coaches do.

Now, like what some of the other posters have said, if my partner is a rookie, or my son. No, I'm not going to let a coach destroy there confidence like that. Short of that, my partners can take care of themselves. Typically, what I have seen is if a coach is complaining alot, he's complaining about everything. The next time it will be your call or no call. So you can just wait until it's your turn, and if he's continues complaining, technical. You are nice, you warn him. I'm not warning a complaining about everything coach. Coaches need to pick and choose their battles but they can't complain about everything.

I wouldn't like to be the partner that you ran across the floor and T'd up a coach for. Let's just say that. As for deserving the T, well you warned him. What you might have done is let it be for the moment, then the very next opportunity, talk with your partner.

Of course, if presented with that situation again, a nice way of handling it is as follows:

Coach: complaining about calls
Official to Coach: "Coach, that's enough. This is your warning. Please, coach your team."
Official to Partner (loudly so they hear, the table hears, and the COACH knows they heard): "Team ?? Coach has been warned."

You are not embarrasing the coach, you are communicating with your partner, and doing it this way leaves no room for misunderstanding either. JMO

You are a crew. It doesn't matter who the coach is yelling at. If it's an unsporting act, take care of it. I T'd a coach from Lead once a couple of years ago when he was 4 feet from my partner standing and making an a@# of himself. When I went to report it, the coach told me that was fine but he wanted my partner to call it. I just told him we were a crew and we weren't going to have that kind of behavior happen in the game. After the game I talked to my partner and he was having a rough night and was just trying to ignore the coach to get through it. He didn't have a problem with me coming across the floor.

It always comes back to what would I want to happen. If I was half a marble short of calling a T I would NOT want my partner taking the other 1 1/2 marbles I had left.

I have found that there is alot going on that I can not see or here if I am watching my primary and I have to trust my partner- or don't go on the court with her.

If the coach has been warned to knock it off then Whack him - I do not care who does it.
Something I have noticed this year amoungst a large number of my partners is that they are hesitant to whack a coach once they have been warned by another official. Like it isn't their warning so they do not want to get them.

Grow a set, If they have been warned they have crossed the line - As junker said you are a crew - So one warning is from all of you it is time to get it done!

I do not go into any games looking to whack a coach. I think that's a little weak for an official to come tell me he warned the coach, so if he does anything again, you want me to whack him. Hell, if he's causing a problem, take care of it right then and there. Don't bring me your problems with the coach, and I will not bring another official my problems with the coach. I disagree with this strategy for dealing with coaches.

Coaches try to work different officials. That's called coaching. Good coach bad coach. He's good to you bad to me. What you consider unacceptable, I might not think that's worth me enforcing a technical for. If the coach is out of line, deal with it is my strategy. Don't pass the buck. Just like you say, grow a set and deal with it.

With that being said. I think warning a coach is good game management. If you can get out of a situation without giving a T, that's a good thing. My problem is, if you give him a warning, and he does something else in front of me, now you are mad at me because I didn't step up and do the job you should have done the first time. That's my problem.

A wise basketball official once said, there is a limit to how many technicals a coach can get, but there is no limit to how many warnings....
Read and Prosper

If it deserves a T, call it. Protecting a partner is teamwork and I think it looks better than if the ref being criticized calls it.

A wiser basketball official- me- once said that this ties for the dumbest statement ever made on this forum.

Is it trophy time again? And that particular post wins the prize for most self-contradicting.

The trophy has been retired, Snaqs. No real competition.:)

What the h-e-double toothpicks does that mean, anyway? Maybe I'm just daft. As far as I know there is a limit to how many warnings. Limit one.

As far as T-ing up the coach when he's talking to your partner, you dang well better be sure. I had a partner come from across the court and ding a coach who was asking me a legitimate question, because he'd already heard enough from the coach that night. I'll never work with that guy again.

Don't worry about him - he's the court jester. Watch how folks correct virtually every piece of advice he provides.

You're not daft, I don't think, but the one warning refers to the Delay of Game situation. If a coach is giving you a hard time, you give him/her as many warning to sit down, shut-up, let it go, calm down as you want, no limit here. Lot of people like to think that once I formally warn a coach, he gets no more warnings, but really there is no rule that says the next one is a direct technical.

That's my point, the official didn't take care of business the first time, now here he comes after the fact, still hot about the previous encounter and embarrasses both you and himself by giving a technical. Now you are caught in between.

:D CJ? I like it.

OK. Who's taking this one?

He's got a point. Once he's warned a coach, moving forward in time it can factually be said that coach was formerly warned. But as one of my HS teachers was fond of saying, "Getting the right answer for the wrong reason, is still wrong." ;)

I see a lot of talk about warnings but no place in the rule book does it say anything about warnings. The coaching box is in place for a coach to do just that...Coach. I both coach and officiate and I would rather coach my girls through bad officiating, at the freshmen level it is horrible here. As an official I handed out T's in games over the holiday break. Both were JV games. I never handed out a warning. When a coach comes flying off the bench in response to a call trying to upstage the officiating it warrents a T. My theory is a coach knows when he's getting a T and knows when he's pushing buttons.

Although your philosophy makes sense, it would never work in the college setting, at least not in the Northeast. Our assignors expect us to tell the coaches before they get out of control that they are on their way... either by speak to them or with the "stop sign". I got MAD props the other night from my assignors for giving the "stop sign." I never used it before that game and it worked... both for getting a good rating and also for telling the coach to stop bi**hing!

I dunno Kevin...I like to stomp my own snakes.

In some instances I can agree with you...but, for the most part, a strong official should be able to handle anything a coach can give him/her.

Look here, if the coach was warned. I think it is unprofessional to let him/her act unsporting. Handle it and move on. I find it disturbing that officials allow unsporting behavior because of what others think. I get assigned to do a job and I will perform that job until completion.

I don't get assigned because of my good looks or political ambitions. One should not get bent around tha axle on what others think.. Do it and move on!

Scheafer is that you?

Sure, you CAN give as many warnings as you want, but why would you? Are you a parent? Are you the parent that says, "For the LAST TIME. . ." six times or so? Doesn't work, does it? A warning is just that--notice that something bad is about to happen. If you get to the point that you have to use the warning, use it once and be done. There is a rule that says the next one is a T--the rule of common sense.

Unfortunately, coaches are not kids. You can not use the same method of treatment with a kid as you can an adult. If you think you're going far with that altitude, you got a lot to learn. Why would you issue mutliple warning? Many reasons. The bigger the game, it's always better to get thru it if you can without accessing a technical. If you're new to a conference or a tournament you've been trying to get your foot in the door, the first few games you may want to lay low and let the veterans take care of anything like this. Are you going to T up Bobby Knight in your first big DI game? If you do, it might be your last, but, nobody going to get upset with you if you give him the stop sign multiple times or say multiple times that's a warning coach. I need you to stay in the box, please try to stay in the box for me. If you think this is BS, that's okay with me, it's your call!

Top of the year to you.

I don't think it's BS. I <b>know</b> it's BS.

Again, that ties for the dumbest post ever made on this forum. :rolleyes:

Top o' the year to you as well. I don't think about how far I'm going with my attitude because I'm already a well-respected official in my circles, and I work all I want. And a coach that constantly argues, whines, and complains can be dealt with the exact same way that a petulant child would. I, of all people, should know. I've reffed for 13 years and I've taught junior high for 13 years. It's the same thing. Be firm, fair, and speak with respect. Say what you mean. If you say, "That's a warning, coach!" It should be followed with action, not "That's another warning, coach!" A warning of what? A warning that another warning is coming? Reminds me of an old Dave Letterman quote--"I don't just talk about making idle threats--I MAKE idle threats!"

Here's how this reads, CJ. "The bigger the stakes, the less authoritative you want to be." You must have graduated from the UN School of Officiating. "Coach, please stop. This time I mean it." The fact is, some coaches, when emotional, can sometimes act like petulant teenagers. They don't respect soft, and if you don't show you're in control, you're screwed.

While I would not ref with you, I'd pay to watch the coaches run you over.