TO before throw-in violation?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The whistle didn't make the ball dead, the violation did, which came before the whistle. If you have your own count going, fine, but how could it possibly be perfectly coordinated with that of the official administering the throw-in?

Actually on a count the whistle can and should coincide almost exactly with the violation.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You go and talk to the other official and decide which act took place first.

Agreed. I don't understand what Rich is saying that he knows whether the request was before or after 5. Even after conferring with partner, it could be difficult to decide.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Actually on a count the whistle can and should coincide almost exactly with the violation.

Agreed. Your point being that this whistle can be anticipated so it should be closer to the actual time of the violation than the one made by the other official who had to see the request and then react. This is a good point, but we are still talking about a half a second......

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The whistle didn't make the ball dead, the violation did, which came before the whistle.

Yup.....and if you grant a TO before a violation, the whistle for the TO doesn't make the ball dead either. The granting of the TO did. That's why an OOB violation can't be made after the TO was granted and the ball became dead because of the granting.

Or do you wanna argue with yourself for a while now?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

.....the ball became dead because of the granting.

Or do you wanna argue with yourself for a while now?

Been arguing with myself for days, it seems. When the granting takes place
was/is the gray area for me, but I officially surrendered on the other thread.


Please, nobody have your kids make fun of my kids at school because of all this.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I officially surrendered on the other thread.