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WV_Zebra Wed Dec 20, 2006 09:06pm

What would you do?
 
Game before mine, interesting situation.

Play A1 fouls out with under a minute to go. tie game. ( High school ) With less than 10 seconds to go, A calls a T.O. Players return to the floor. A1 scores the winning goal. Officials leave the floor thinking that Team A had won the game. They are notified after they leave the confines of the playing area that A1 had fouled out earlier, had not reported and was the player that scored the winning basket. what would you do?

just another ref Wed Dec 20, 2006 09:10pm

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Originally Posted by WV_Zebra
Game before mine, interesting situation.

Play A1 fouls out with under a minute to go. tie game. ( High school ) With less than 10 seconds to go, A calls a T.O. Players return to the floor. A1 scores the winning goal. Officials leave the floor thinking that Team A had won the game. They are notified after they leave the confines of the playing area that A1 had fouled out earlier, had not reported and was the player that scored the winning basket. what would you do?


Nothing you could do except say "OOPS!"

Lotto Wed Dec 20, 2006 09:11pm

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Originally Posted by WV_Zebra
Game before mine, interesting situation.

Play A1 fouls out with under a minute to go. tie game. ( High school ) With less than 10 seconds to go, A calls a T.O. Players return to the floor. A1 scores the winning goal. Officials leave the floor thinking that Team A had won the game. They are notified after they leave the confines of the playing area that A1 had fouled out earlier, had not reported and was the player that scored the winning basket. what would you do?

Nothing...once my partner and I leave the confines, the score is approved and the game is over.

just another ref Wed Dec 20, 2006 09:34pm

Actually, once the buzzer sounds to end the game, this is a done deal.
10-5-4 penalty: Penalized if discovered while being violated.

Texas Aggie Wed Dec 20, 2006 09:45pm

I'm not clear on the facts. Did A1 leave the game upon the 5th foul, or did the table and officials not notify the coach and A1 played the entire rest of the game? OR, did A1 leave the game then sneak back in after the TO?

WV_Zebra Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:35pm

A1 did leave the game and returned after the TO, without checking in and no one noticed until the Referees left the floor.

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:10pm

As far as I can see, there's nothing to do except for the losing team to appeal it to the state office. The state may, or may not, choose to do something about it.

Adam Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:38pm

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Originally Posted by WV_Zebra
A1 did leave the game and returned after the TO, without checking in and no one noticed until the Referees left the floor.

Did he leave because coach was told he'd fouled out, or did the coach just sub for him. IOW, was the coach notified at the time that his player had fouled out?

I agree with BITS, the only recourse I can see at this point is a possible forfeit enforced by the state. The officials can't do a thing except learn a lesson. Even if they had noticed, say after his shot but before the horn; his shot would count. Of course, then you get to shoot the T.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 21, 2006 09:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by WV_Zebra
Game before mine, interesting situation.

Play A1 fouls out with under a minute to go. tie game. ( High school ) With less than 10 seconds to go, A calls a T.O. Players return to the floor. A1 scores the winning goal. Officials leave the floor thinking that Team A had won the game. They are notified after they leave the confines of the playing area that A1 had fouled out earlier, had not reported and was the player that scored the winning basket. what would you do?

Take my coming suspension like a man. :o

bigdogrunnin Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:03pm

Expect to lose some games . . . but nothing you can do once you leave the visual confines of the playing area. Have I mentioned "preventative officiating" before? Never mind. ;)

Adam Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:18pm

I have to ask; how many would pick this up? I've had games where 3 or 4 players foul out, and I couldn’t necessarily pick them out of a lineup. If the table didn’t tell me they had 5, I wouldn't know it. If they come back in later, I wouldn’t necessarily catch it unless the table caught it. If they sneak in following a timeout, I might not catch it without the table telling me. 5 players go to the bench, and 5 come out. That's generally all I'm looking for.

Junker Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:21pm

I'd handle it by going out to have a beverage with the other crews I usually meet on Friday nights. Drinking my beverage, I'd tell the rest of the officials how we screwed up, and take a lot of crap from them for screwing up. Then I'd watch the papers to see what the state decided to do about the problem while crossing my fingers that the assignor doesn't drop me from his scheduling list next season. :D


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