Carrying the ball???

[Jerry Baldwin]

The new rule book page 75 shows palming as the same signal as over & back (palming/carrying the ball). Hope that helps.

[Tweets]

I have always used the carry/over&back signal.

[Tweets]

How bout the coaches that scream for OVER the back? I picked up a signal invented by my partner: it goes somewhat in the form of a large grizzly bear standing on his hind legs about to attack someone from behind... bummer is I've never gotten to use it cuz, well gee as long as they're OVER and not ON the back I can't call anything. ....Besides considering his size my partner has much better form and physique in using that signal.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Tweets
I have always used the carry/over&back signal.

The NF just approved this signal for use within the last year or so.

Better to stay away from the grizzly bear signal Tweets!

[JoeT]

Originally posted by mick

... except by the Byron collar guys.
mick

Not to be TOO dense, but what does this mean (literally, figuratively...)?

Joe

[mick]

Originally posted by JoeT

Not to be TOO dense, but what does this mean (literally, figuratively...)?

Joe

Joe,
The Byron collar style shirt was, and in some cases is still, worn in the recent past. It's the Official's shirt with the solid black collar and the zipper.
The shirt is outdated, as are some of the mechanics used in the old days.
Most officials have gone to the V-neck and updated their mechanics; others use the same "equipment", and mechanics, as they did 20-30 years ago, with the explanation, "...it still works good enough."
mick

[JoeT]

Originally posted by mick

Joe,
The Byron collar style shirt was, and in some cases is still, worn in the recent past. It's the Official's shirt with the solid black collar and the zipper.
The shirt is outdated, as are some of the mechanics used in the old days.
Most officials have gone to the V-neck and updated their mechanics; others use the same "equipment", and mechanics, as they did 20-30 years ago, with the explanation, "...it still works good enough."
mick

That's what I was afraid you were going to say. I still have a couple of those shirts... It still works good en....

crap.

[JoeT]

Originally posted by Tweets
How bout the coaches that scream for OVER the back? I picked up a signal invented by my partner: it goes somewhat in the form of a large grizzly bear standing on his hind legs about to attack someone from behind... bummer is I've never gotten to use it cuz, well gee as long as they're OVER and not ON the back I can't call anything. ....Besides considering his size my partner has much better form and physique in using that signal.

I've actually seen several guys use some variation of this. I'll never use it because it contributes to the myth that there is some rule called "over the back." I think it's on the same page as "reaching in."

[mick]

Originally posted by JoeT

That's what I was afraid you were going to say. I still have a couple of those shirts... It still works good en....

crap.

Joe,
Now, that's funny!
The wife of one of my partners volunteered to make Striped Shoe Bags out of our shirts. They are washable, and real easy to find in your bag, on a shelf, or in a dark closet. Some have zippers and others have draw strings. I am not sure of the current model.
mick

[dblref]

My wife did this for me. I had 2 older shirts (Byron collars) and she made 2 sets (one for white and one for black). For the white shoes, she put white drawstrings. Several of my partners have commented on how much they like them.

[Richard Ogg]

I have one of these shirts just in case my partner thinks to say: "Hey, I only have a collared shirt" then I can wear one to match.

[mick]

Originally posted by Richard Ogg
I have one of these shirts just in case my partner thinks to say: "Hey, I only have a collared shirt" then I can wear one to match.

Richard,
I can truthfully say, "Hey I only have a V-neck, you can use my spare."
mick

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by mick

Richard,
I can truthfully say, "Hey I only have a V-neck, you can use my spare."
mick

I still got a bunch of them, somewhere under a big pile of
something. I never carry them to games. Turning them into
shoe bags sounds like a great idea, wish I knew how to
sew.

[Malcolm Tucker]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Mark, you do not officiate in Ohio or Michigan then, where the coaches determine who officiates regular season and tournament games at the varsity level. I cannot begin to tell you how many times a season I see veteran officials make that call in H.S. freshmen, jr. varsity, and varsity, and jr. H.S. games.

I think that this can only lead to poor officiating so as you do not lose games in these leagues. Because coaches and players have such a poor understanding of the rules officials would have to make bad calls or they would be out obviously. This is something that needs to be changed. Impartiality is the hallmark of a good official!!

[williebfree]

Unfortunately, the "system" that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. has described for MI and OH is similiar to the practice used in WI.

Conference Commissioners assign conference games during the regular season. The WIAA (Wisconsin Interscholatstic Athletic Association) assigns officials for the tournament games. The WIAA solicits "feedback" from the coaches to "rate" the officials. Most of the coaches I have spoke to about this do not like it, and, of course, Officials do not like it.

I have sent correspondence to the WIAA and even proposed that valid solution. Using "retired" officials to evaluate officials. The WIAA gave the "proverbial" well give it consideration. Change is difficult AND in this case viewed as too expensive.