NBA...at it again!

BktBallRef · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2006, 07:16pm

Another NBA melee spills over into the stands. Knicks and Nuggets have 10 players ejected after a brawl with 1:15 remaining in the game. Suspensions to follow.

Moderators: This discussion is about a fight at an NBA game. I respectfully request that you delete any posts made by any poster that may lead this thread down the path of another racial war. Thanks!

JugglingReferee · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2006, 08:30pm

Lemme guess... you didn't like that the previous thread became a racial issue and as thread starter, you were able to delete the entire thread. You then (re-)started the/this thread.

Scrapper1 · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2006, 08:55pm

1) I think it's very fortunate that none of the fans at MSG were hit or decided to take a cheap shot at a player. That could have escalated it even further.

2) All 10 players on the court were ejected. When the NBA office reviews the tape, I wonder if there will punishments for the officials if it is determined that any of the 10 ejected players was not involved in the fight.

3) All comments about individual players deleted!!

Snake~eyes · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2006, 09:06pm

Who was on the game? I know Violet and Bavetta but who was the third? Just curious.

Texref · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2006, 09:09pm

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Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

Who was on the game? I know Violet and Bavetta but who was the third? Just curious.

Robbie Robinson (#53) was the 3rd

Mark Dexter · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2006, 10:34pm

As a general observation, watching this morning, the first thing that came across my mind is that one of the security staffers quickly directed the others to ignore what was going on on the court and, instead, focus on the fans.

Probably a good idea after the mega-brawl. That said, at that level of MSG, I'd worry more about a nice pinot noir being thrown than a cheap plastic-cup beer.

BktBallRef · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2006, 10:49pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Lemme guess... you didn't like that the previous thread became a racial issue and as thread starter, you were able to delete the entire thread. You then (re-)started the/this thread.

You're a genius!

Personally, I didn't think the foul was that bad. I don't see an ejection based solely on the foul. Having not seen the game, I wonder if anything preceded the foul.

I think Carmelo Anthony will probably get the longest suspension of any of the players. The little b!tch slap and run that he pulled certainly isn't going to endear him to the casual fan.

I would think the league would make some announcements tomorrow.

Jurassic Referee · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 18, 2006, 03:17am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Personally, I didn't think the foul was that bad. I don't see an ejection based solely on the foul. Having not seen the game, I wonder if anything preceded the foul.

The NY papers said yesterday that Isiah Thomas supposedly told Carmelo Anthony before the incident that if Anthony was smart, he'd keep out of the paint for the rest of the game. If that can be substantiated, I'd imagine that Thomas will be looking at a suspension too.

Old School · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 18, 2006, 06:44am

Just learned this morning that Isaiah said; show some class, to Camby and Anthony, not don't go to the hole or you're going to pay. Says this got something to do with Larry Brown, interesting....

Raymond · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 18, 2006, 09:10am

The foul definitely warranted an ejection. Take a look again at the clubbing motion of his (Marty Collins) left arm to the neck of JR Smith. Then Nate Robinson escalated the situation with his actions. Carmelo definitely took a sucker-punch, but I feel no pity for the recepient of the punch (Marty Collins).

cmathews · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 18, 2006, 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by Old School

Just learned this morning that Isaiah said; show some class, to Camby and Anthony, not don't go to the hole or you're going to pay. Says this got something to do with Larry Brown, interesting....

Go to ESPN.com and watch the video of Thomas talking to Anthony. His body language certainly doesn't suggest "show some class". They have a close up and it appears that he says something to the effect of "Anthony, don't go to the paint, or it's going to get ugly" then at the end he has a little father knows best smirk on his face........looks like he will watch the next one or more on TV...which in all reality will probably be better for him, they should actually just make him coach then watch the tapes 3 more times, a much bigger punishment the way the Knicks are playing...

btaylor64 · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 18, 2006, 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You're a genius!

Personally, I didn't think the foul was that bad. I don't see an ejection based solely on the foul. Having not seen the game, I wonder if anything preceded the foul.

That foul definitely deserved a Flagrant 2. The NBA refs referee plays like that on the basis of W-I-F. It stands for Wind up, Impact, and Follow-through. Not all three have to be present to award a Flagrant 2 and eject a player, but that is how they use it. In this case, the Wind up was def. there, the impact was def. there, maybe not so much of the follow through because he pulled his hands back up, but like I said not all 3 have to be present to eject. It was def. an ejectable offense.

jimgolf,

In response to your 1st question referees are taught to handle it different ways, because different situations calls for different actions. In this situation
Robbie calls the foul and ejects Collins then him and Bavetta sees what is about to take place so they both go get the players and try to restrain them. As you saw Violet was the Trail so she sits back and gets the big picture view which is what she needed to do here. It is ok to have 2 officials on the play, but we don't need 3. We need one to sit back and watch it all. From there, Bavetta has a hold of one of the players and Robbie has one of the others and then Nate Robinson comes in. Robbie loses his player and that player takes Nate to the ground and from there you see Bavetta and Robinson get out of there, which is exactly what you want to do. Now all 3 officials can watch the benches and the players on the court to see who throws the punches and will be ejected. There is nothing else they can do at this point but just watch and start ejecting players. Leave all that garbage to the coaches to clean up.

Larks · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 18, 2006, 01:12pm

Each team fined $500,000 (Has that ever happened before?)

Carmello - 15 game sit
Robinson and Smith - 10 game sits.
Plus some additional suspensions

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2701228

cmathews · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 18, 2006, 01:24pm

Stern says the 500k fines are a message that they are serious about cleaning up the league...yet he lets Thomas continue coaching after a threat. Saying he only used definite knowledge for suspensions. Thomas admits telling Anthony not to go to the paint, but it was meant as a "sportsmanship" lecture

.......I ain't buying that part of it....I like the suspensions for the players though, seem about right to me...

BktBallRef · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 18, 2006, 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64

That foul definitely deserved a Flagrant 2. The NBA refs referee plays like that on the basis of W-I-F. It stands for Wind up, Impact, and Follow-through. Not all three have to be present to award a Flagrant 2 and eject a player, but that is how they use it. In this case, the Wind up was def. there, the impact was def. there, maybe not so much of the follow through because he pulled his hands back up, but like I said not all 3 have to be present to eject. It was def. an ejectable offense.

Great. You're entitled to your opinion but so am I and I still disagree. I do not think Collins would have been ejected if the fight had not occurred. Robinson is signalling two shots in the video. He is not signalling an ejection as you stated in your post. That is very clear.