What would you do?

[iref4him]

Good point about driving further, but we stop because the closest stop after that was 45 miles away.

[orangeump]

did the right thing? where is the ball? what is your primary?

I dont change this call at gunpoint. then again I am looking somewhere else doing my job and trusting my partner, regardless of experience level.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by orangeump

did the right thing? where is the ball? what is your primary?

I dont change this call at gunpoint. then again I am looking somewhere else doing my job and trusting my partner, regardless of experience level.

I don't agree with this. It's very possible that you're seeing the play out of the corner of your eye, or through traffic, as you're wathcing the traffic. When the P makes an obvious mistake, and you can quietly and respectfully give him an opportunity to fix his obvious mistake, you do it! Regardless of experience level.

You don't have to stop for drinks if you bring them from home.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by orangeump

did the right thing? where is the ball? what is your primary?

I dont change this call at gunpoint. then again I am looking somewhere else doing my job and trusting my partner, regardless of experience level.

I think iref4him handled it beautifully.

Quite simply, if my partner so obviously misapplies a rule (such as calling a travel while the player is dribbling) in the closing seconds of a 1 point game and I know it, you can bet that we're going to deal with it right then and there....and I'd hope that if I had such goof up, I'd have partner with enough guts to do the right thing.

Forget about who's primary it was in. Our first priority is to call the game. Primaries and mechanics are just a guide to enable us to cover to floor most effectively most of the time. A call like this is far more of an outrage then helping out your partner by knowing what was going on outside your primary. I'm not talking about judgement situations, nor am I talking about overruling a partner....they get to change their call.

[refnrev]

Iref..., (Nice name)
You did the right thing and did it well. Your peers do have a point about stopping for a Coke. I always leave a very small cooler with a Slim Fast in the back of my truck. That and bag of popcorn are usually my supper after a game. I had one good experience stopping for gas at a local Casey's store. I had to fly solo that night because of a no show. The home school lost --but they always do and all of the fans and parents expected them to so it was no big deal. But everyone was happy because a Special Needs kid from the other team got to play a lot, scored a basket, and sunk a free throw. I got lots of kudos from home town parents and kids but if I hadn't needed gas, I wouldn't have stopped in town. Only problem was there wasn't another town for a long ways! Just out of curiosity, were you wearing your uniform or had you changed?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Iref..., (Nice name)
You did the right thing and did it well. Your peers do have a point about stopping for a Coke. I always leave a very small cooler with a Slim Fast in the back of my truck. That and bag of popcorn are usually my supper after a game. I had one good experience stopping for gas at a local Casey's store. I had to fly solo that night because of a no show. The home school lost --but they always do and all of the fans and parents expected them to so it was no big deal. But everyone was happy because a Special Needs kid from the other team got to play a lot, scored a basket, and sunk a free throw. I got lots of kudos from home town parents and kids but if I hadn't needed gas, I wouldn't have stopped in town. Only problem was there wasn't another town for a long ways! Just out of curiosity, were you wearing your uniform or had you changed?

Good or bad, I'm seeing too much stock put into what a fan or coach thinks. They have an emotional investment in their side winning the game so their opinion is biased and mostly worthless. PLUS, don't be afraid to stop and get something to eat or drink. Once you leave the gym you are a person that has a right to do what everyone else can. It is a confrontation that someone else would like to have with you. If you can't handle a confrontation, this is the wrong thing to be doing. Additionally, it will happen again if there is a possibility you will ever go back to that school. Are you going to avoid it forever?

[Scrapper1]

Aside from the sexual assault stuff, I guess the real point of this thread is:

How far would you go to save a game?



How far will you go to save a game?
How far will you go to save a game (PART 2)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Aside from the sexual assault stuff, I guess the real point of this thread is:

How far would you go to save a game?



How far will you go to save a game?
How far will you go to save a game (PART 2)

If I saw it, I do what was done in the OP. Go to my partner and ask him if it's possible to travel while dribbling. Let him change the call or stick with it.

[tomegun]

Man, I don't know which way to lean on this one; both sides have good points. I just don't know if I would do that. Did the OP get some of his check?
I tell you one thing, I would bet a game check that no matter how it is fixed up the OP was ballwatching and doing it the whole game. I know it is a hard thing for some to admit, but it happens way more than people want to talk about.

[GoodwillRef]

So if this happens in the dual/trouble area and as the lead you see it do you help out then?

Iref did the right thing. Good call.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Man, I don't know which way to lean on this one; both sides have good points. I just don't know if I would do that. Did the OP get some of his check?
I tell you one thing, I would bet a game check that no matter how it is fixed up the OP was ballwatching and doing it the whole game. I know it is a hard thing for some to admit, but it happens way more than people want to talk about.

I agree with this tomegun here. I agree that in the OP it sounded like they got things right because this was a pretty obvious mistake. My problem is that if you are getting that far out of your area, are you getting a good look at what happened? Maybe there was something you didn't see? Maybe you thought you saw something that wasn't really there? Last night I worked a couple of smooth JV games with a relatively new official. He made one call in my area (I was L, he was T) and he was completely wrong. He called a foul on a shooter that just simply wasn't there. It was a good, clean block. I didn't say anything because judging by the look on his face as he called the foul, he knew he called a phantom, but my point is that it better be REALLY obvious to go change a partner's call from that far away.

[LarryS]

Seems like a lot of people are assuming the official in the OP was ball watching and out of his area. It IS possible that there were few players in his primary and that they were spread out and not doing much....thus forcing him to work deep and use his peripheral vision to keep tabs on them. In that situation, it is possible to basically see the entire floor at L...therefore he would be able to see the obvious mistake.

Also, he didn't overrule his partner. He went and asked a question. If his partner had seen something different, all he had to do was stick with his call.

This situation is similar to seeing a player tip a pass and the ball go OOB. Your partner starts to give the ball to the other team...are you going to give him the information you have or say "Too bad guys, that's his line."?

[Junker]

Originally Posted by LarryS

Seems like a lot of people are assuming the official in the OP was ball watching and out of his area. It IS possible that there were few players in his primary and that they were spread out and not doing much....thus forcing him to work deep and use his peripheral vision to keep tabs on them. In that situation, it is possible to basically see the entire floor at L...therefore he would be able to see the obvious mistake.

Also, he didn't overrule his partner. He went and asked a question. If his partner had seen something different, all he had to do was stick with his call.

This situation is similar to seeing a player tip a pass and the ball go OOB. Your partner starts to give the ball to the other team...are you going to give him the information you have or say "Too bad guys, that's his line."?

I agree with what you're saying. From the OP they handled it well. I was just talking about getting out of your primary as a caution. It's not something you want to get in the habit of.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by LarryS

Seems like a lot of people are assuming the official in the OP was ball watching and out of his area.

I should start a list; I have been around long enough to recognize how an official talks when they watch the ball or approve of watching the ball.