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tomegun Thu Dec 14, 2006 07:59pm
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Originally Posted by refnrev
Iref..., (Nice name)
You did the right thing and did it well. Your peers do have a point about stopping for a Coke. I always leave a very small cooler with a Slim Fast in the back of my truck. That and bag of popcorn are usually my supper after a game. I had one good experience stopping for gas at a local Casey's store. I had to fly solo that night because of a no show. The home school lost --but they always do and all of the fans and parents expected them to so it was no big deal. But everyone was happy because a Special Needs kid from the other team got to play a lot, scored a basket, and sunk a free throw. I got lots of kudos from home town parents and kids but if I hadn't needed gas, I wouldn't have stopped in town. Only problem was there wasn't another town for a long ways! Just out of curiosity, were you wearing your uniform or had you changed?
Good or bad, I'm seeing too much stock put into what a fan or coach thinks. They have an emotional investment in their side winning the game so their opinion is biased and mostly worthless. PLUS, don't be afraid to stop and get something to eat or drink. Once you leave the gym you are a person that has a right to do what everyone else can. It is a confrontation that someone else would like to have with you. If you can't handle a confrontation, this is the wrong thing to be doing. Additionally, it will happen again if there is a possibility you will ever go back to that school. Are you going to avoid it forever?

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:07am
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
- Drive a little further than you did to stop for drinks
I did a tourney a couple weeks ago that drew teams from several hours away in every direction. Afterward I drove the two hours home, showered and changed, and went out to get some gas. And who should I run into at the gas station than the winning team from my last game. :eek:

Scrapper1 Fri Dec 15, 2006 07:31am
Aside from the sexual assault stuff, I guess the real point of this thread is:

How far would you go to save a game?

:D

http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=24021
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=24058

GoodwillRef Fri Dec 15, 2006 07:50am
So if this happens in the dual/trouble area and as the lead you see it do you help out then?

PYRef Fri Dec 15, 2006 08:20am
Iref did the right thing. Good call.

Adam Fri Dec 15, 2006 08:35am
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Aside from the sexual assault stuff, I guess the real point of this thread is:

How far would you go to save a game?

:D

http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=24021
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=24058
If I saw it, I do what was done in the OP. Go to my partner and ask him if it's possible to travel while dribbling. Let him change the call or stick with it.

mick Fri Dec 15, 2006 08:35am
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
- Fix the call
- Drive a little further than you did to stop for drinks
Good call, Sparky.

Dan_ref Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:58am
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
I did a tourney a couple weeks ago that drew teams from several hours away in every direction. Afterward I drove the two hours home, showered and changed, and went out to get some gas. And who should I run into at the gas station than the winning team from my last game. :eek:
Then you need to move further away. ;)

Junker Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:13am
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Originally Posted by tomegun
Man, I don't know which way to lean on this one; both sides have good points. I just don't know if I would do that. Did the OP get some of his check?
I tell you one thing, I would bet a game check that no matter how it is fixed up the OP was ballwatching and doing it the whole game. I know it is a hard thing for some to admit, but it happens way more than people want to talk about.
I agree with this tomegun here. I agree that in the OP it sounded like they got things right because this was a pretty obvious mistake. My problem is that if you are getting that far out of your area, are you getting a good look at what happened? Maybe there was something you didn't see? Maybe you thought you saw something that wasn't really there? Last night I worked a couple of smooth JV games with a relatively new official. He made one call in my area (I was L, he was T) and he was completely wrong. He called a foul on a shooter that just simply wasn't there. It was a good, clean block. I didn't say anything because judging by the look on his face as he called the foul, he knew he called a phantom, but my point is that it better be REALLY obvious to go change a partner's call from that far away.

LarryS Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:44am
Seems like a lot of people are assuming the official in the OP was ball watching and out of his area. It IS possible that there were few players in his primary and that they were spread out and not doing much....thus forcing him to work deep and use his peripheral vision to keep tabs on them. In that situation, it is possible to basically see the entire floor at L...therefore he would be able to see the obvious mistake.

Also, he didn't overrule his partner. He went and asked a question. If his partner had seen something different, all he had to do was stick with his call.

This situation is similar to seeing a player tip a pass and the ball go OOB. Your partner starts to give the ball to the other team...are you going to give him the information you have or say "Too bad guys, that's his line."?

Junker Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:53am
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Originally Posted by LarryS
Seems like a lot of people are assuming the official in the OP was ball watching and out of his area. It IS possible that there were few players in his primary and that they were spread out and not doing much....thus forcing him to work deep and use his peripheral vision to keep tabs on them. In that situation, it is possible to basically see the entire floor at L...therefore he would be able to see the obvious mistake.

Also, he didn't overrule his partner. He went and asked a question. If his partner had seen something different, all he had to do was stick with his call.

This situation is similar to seeing a player tip a pass and the ball go OOB. Your partner starts to give the ball to the other team...are you going to give him the information you have or say "Too bad guys, that's his line."?
I agree with what you're saying. From the OP they handled it well. I was just talking about getting out of your primary as a caution. It's not something you want to get in the habit of.

tomegun Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:56am
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Originally Posted by LarryS
Seems like a lot of people are assuming the official in the OP was ball watching and out of his area.
I should start a list; I have been around long enough to recognize how an official talks when they watch the ball or approve of watching the ball.

rainmaker Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:59am
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Originally Posted by tomegun
I should start a list; I have been around long enough to recognize how an official talks when they watch the ball or approve of watching the ball.
And this is important because.....

Why?

TriggerMN Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:23pm
The coach was exactly right. This was not a correctable error.


It was an inadvertent whistle.

Visitors in team control at the time of the IW, they retain control for the throw in.

Tell that to the coach. By the time he figures out how he can be right and still not get the ball, the game will be over and you'll be out the door.

iref4him Fri Dec 15, 2006 02:15pm
Larry S wrote --> Seems like a lot of people are assuming the official in the OP was ball watching and out of his area. It IS possible that there were few players in his primary and that they were spread out and not doing much....thus forcing him to work deep and use his peripheral vision to keep tabs on them. In that situation, it is possible to basically see the entire floor at L...therefore he would be able to see the obvious mistake.

Also, he didn't overrule his partner. He went and asked a question. If his partner had seen something different, all he had to do was stick with his call.

In fact the offensive team stood around the perimeter out side the 3point live while the defensive team stayed in a tight 2-3 zone. It just so happened that as I was looking through the players on defense --> (referee-ing the defense) and just happened to see the player dribble, then fall (continue his dribble), and then get up and continue his dribble. I was not going to overrule him..I just wanted to ask him if a player could travel while dribbling the ball. That's why I let him change his call and not me.


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