Rule Relapse - Please Help

HawkeyeCubP · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 13, 2006, 03:29pm

For the 18th time this year: (I apologize)

Thower A1 releases the ball so that it is first touched by B1 who has out of bounds status.

A's ball at the spot nearest the out of bounds violation by B, or A's ball at the original throw-in spot?

iref4him · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 13, 2006, 03:46pm

Since B player is out of bounds when they caught the ball, B caused the ball to go out of bounds. A's ball at the nearest spot to the B violation.

Note: Long time ago in the 70's, it was a violation on A for not throwing the ball onto the court like they were suppose to. I'm gald they changed that ruling!!! A coach would never understand.

bob jenkins · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 13, 2006, 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by iref4him

Since B player is out of bounds when they caught the ball, B caused the ball to go out of bounds. A's ball at the nearest spot to the B violation.

Note: Long time ago in the 70's, it was a violation on A for not throwing the ball onto the court like they were suppose to. I'm gald they changed that ruling!!! A coach would never understand.

But, based on an "unannounced" change a couple of years ago, the rule apparenlty reads that the ball will go back to the original spot. Since it was unannounced, it's unclear if that was the intent.

Jurassic Referee · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 13, 2006, 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by iref4him

Note: Long time ago in the 70's, it was a violation on A for not throwing the ball onto the court like they were suppose to. I'm gald they changed that ruling!!! A coach would never understand.

Are you sure? I've been officiating since 1959, and I can't remember that rule being any different during that time than it is now.

Rusty Gilbert · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 13, 2006, 04:16pm

Look in the 2006-2007 NFHS rule book, Rule 9, section 2, article 10.
No player shall be out of bounds when he/she touches or is touched by the ball after it has been released on a throw-in pass.

OK, now look just beneath there for the PENALTY:
PENALTY: (Section 2) The ball becomes dead when the violation or technical foul occurs. Following a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the original throw-in spot.

This penalty has not always read like this. I do not know exactly when it changed, but it has previously said:
PENALTY: (Section 2) The ball becomes dead when the violation or technical foul occurs. Following a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation.

So.......according to current reading, the succeeding throw in would take place at the original throw in spot.

HawkeyeCubP · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 13, 2006, 05:11pm

Based on the previously mentioned unannounced change in the Rule Book and it's resulting confusion/ambiguity, how are YOU ruling on this play as it happens on the next throw-in you administer today?

Adam · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 13, 2006, 05:32pm

I'm calling B1 an idiot and we'll go back to the original spot.

ncump7 · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 13, 2006, 11:43pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you sure? I've been officiating since 1959, and I can't remember that rule being any different during that time than it is now.

JR..
I seem to remember that being the rule in 1971 or 72 when I first began officiating. I was studying rules with my partner and I commented that I would hate to make that call against the home team with a full gym.

Ref Daddy · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 14, 2006, 10:24am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you sure? I've been officiating since 1959, and I can't remember that rule being any different during that time than it is now.

1959!!??
Wow. Hats off. Incredible!

Scrapper1 · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 14, 2006, 10:33am

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Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

1959!!??
Wow. Hats off. Incredible!

That's nothin'. Heck, he's been driving the same Model T since 1908.

Jurassic Referee · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 14, 2006, 10:42am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That's nothin'. Heck, he's been driving the same Model T since 1908.

Ah yes, the Good Old Days!

You didn't have to have a license or insurance. Wimmen weren't allowed to drive or sit in the front seat. And it was legal to run over dogs and small children.

I do miss it so.

Nevadaref · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 14, 2006, 05:25am

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

For the 18th time this year: (I apologize)

Thower A1 releases the ball so that it is first touched by B1 who has out of bounds status.

A's ball at the spot nearest the out of bounds violation by B, or A's ball at the original throw-in spot?

Please read this entire thread:

Where is the Throw-in?

HawkeyeCubP · #13 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 14, 2006, 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Please read this entire thread:

Where is the Throw-in?

That was the one. Thanks, Nevada.

So just for my own edification - you are calling it by the letter of the Rule, as it currently reads then? Back to the original spot?