Again, JMO, you posted re: the original post--that if the officials can't agree in a situation like the original post, then the R decides. That statement was completely wrong , as per the rules that I cited. You continued to argue otherwise instead of simply picking up your rule/case books and checking the references. And this is certainly not the first time that you have done something like this on other subjects also. You have been asked before what is contained in a rules citation or case book play, and you <b>always</b> dodge the answer. That certainly leads me to the conclusion that you do not possess current rules and case books. You also adamantly refuse to answer whether you actually do have books. I hate to break this too, and this really isn't a flame, but the <b>only</b> conclusion that logically can be reached is that you are <b>NOT</b> an official <i>per se</i>. If you are are just a fanboy passing through, then post away. But please don't post obviously incorrect rules information that you have no backing for. That does more harm than good when it comes to the new or inexperienced officials that are trying to learn and improve by reading this forum.

And again, quite obviously <b>JMO</b>.

My post just before this one states that I did check in with not one, but THREE senior officials. One is a mentor. One is the JV rep on our exec board, and the other is the Asst. Signing Secretary who is my point of contact regarding assignments.

Their unanimous advice is the opposite of yours. As the calling official, it is my responsibility to administer the penalty. This wasn't a judgment call or an error in foul count for the bonus, etc. as you had suggested earlier, this was KICKING A RULE. They all said I should have lined up the shooter and shot the one and one.

I was advised that if an evaluator had been present, or a coach complained about this incident, the R would have been suspended, and chances are I would have been as well.

The best advice they gave me was to be confident enough to be sure of what I KNOW, and to admit when I don't know. That way, I know when to be firm and when to let experience prevail.

I have too, except I see it on the court, fans, coaches, losing players, etc.

What does this have to do with the subject we are discussing? Are we a little off-track here or is it you can't articulate your position and now you are digressing to insults. Now who's the child?

Peace

And we'll throw some projection in just for fun. :D

You also learned <b>never</b> to listen to <b>non-officials</b> who <b>don't</b> own rule books.:)

I think I've articulated my position pretty clearly. Have you read these posts?

I don't disagree with this statement JR, however, my point is this. I don't want an official who's been working for a short period of time, or who does not have the experience of a senior official, to think he knows more than someone who's been doing it longer. If in doubt yield. In this particular case, the R was wrong, but, realistically speaking, how often is that going to happen? More times than not, the R or senior official will know more and new or younger officials need to stand down to the person with more seniority. Rule knowledge which is what you advocate is the key to knowing whether one is right or wrong. I just don't want to be working with a new guy and he thinks he's 110% correct on a call, and I know he's not, I'm the R and I can't get him to let it go. This has happen too, and as a assigner, when I run into pig headed new officials like this, you can believe they don't get no more assignments from me. You see, nobody mention this! The human side of the equation. You gave us the book side JR, which is correct and I stand down to that. BUT!!! Big but, there's two sides to every coin. I'm just approaching it from a different prospective. Some of you really need to learn how to think outside the box. Seriously....
How do you know this? Are you 100% sure? How much money would you be willing to put down on this statement?
Please explain whether or not I'm an official has to do with this topic? Are we having a hard time focusing, staying on point?

Peace

Old School - good to see you back.

Did you see my post earlier?:

Huh.

He disappeared again.

I'd bet my life.

It's not hard to separate the real, live bonafide officials from the...well....non-officials. It's kinda basic that <b>real</b> officials would have the proper and appropriate rule books. You don't, do you?

You, sir, are <b>not</b> an official.

<b>JMO!!</b>

But you do want senior officials who screw up rules and foul administration and won't listen to anyone who tries to tell them they are wrong??!! Wow... in this particular case the R was dead wrong, but by your standard that doesn't matter because he's the senior, more experienced guy and the younger, less-experienced guy should just go with what the senior, more experienced guy says...that's assinine.

Now you have learned the supreme lesson of officiating: Experience does not equal talent. Wait 'til you work with the 30-year veteran who can't ref his way out of a wet paper bag. -And makes all of your calls for you.- That will be a fun night.
In talking with your assignor, phrase the experience using yourself as the example. "I wonder if I handled this right." I, I, I.
Don't offer specifics until asked for them. Then get out of the way.

In <b>all</b> instances?

Lah me.....:rolleyes:

So many questions, so little time.
M&M, about what time Friday did I disappear? What do you think I had to go do? Babysit my 12 years old? No, my kids are grown.

And you sir, would lose your life. You remind me of the gambler who was up a million dollars and couldn't walk away. Then bet all his earnings and walk out with nothing. My question to you. Was it worth it?

Since you insist on tagging me with this JMO label. Perhaps, I should change my moniker to JMO.

JMO would be a very appropriate moniker for you, JMO.

I also believe that you didn't answer any of M&M's questions. Any particular reason for that...um...lapse?:D