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All_Heart Tue Dec 05, 2006 08:26am

USC player pushed Kansas player into shooter
 
This was a play in the first couple of minutes of the second half in the KU / USC game.

A1 drives to the basket with an open layup. B1 pushes A2 into A1 and I think A1 made the basket. B1 is called for the foul and if I remember correctly A1 shot 1 free throw.

Is this right in High School or College?

The basket counts regardless because A1 had started the habitual try for goal. I would then think that Team A would get a throw-in on the endline or A2 would shoot bonus free throws if they are in the bonus. To recap B1 never touched A1.

bob jenkins Tue Dec 05, 2006 08:43am

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Originally Posted by All_Heart
This was a play in the first couple of minutes of the second half in the KU / USC game.

A1 drives to the basket with an open layup. B1 pushes A2 into A1 and I think A1 made the basket. B1 is called for the foul and if I remember correctly A1 shot 1 free throw.

Is this right in High School or College?

The basket counts regardless because A1 had started the habitual try for goal. I would then think that Team A would get a throw-in on the endline or A2 would shoot bonus free throws if they are in the bonus. To recap B1 never touched A1.

As described, I agree with you.

Junker Tue Dec 05, 2006 08:55am

I didn't see the play described, but I did watch some of this game. I was casually watching most of it and I was extremely impressed with the defensive intensity and how the game was called. USC is definitiely becoming a Tim Floyd team.

eg-italy Tue Dec 05, 2006 09:03am

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Originally Posted by All_Heart
A1 drives to the basket with an open layup. B1 pushes A2 into A1 and I think A1 made the basket. B1 is called for the foul and if I remember correctly A1 shot 1 free throw.

Is this right in High School or College?

The basket counts regardless because A1 had started the habitual try for goal. I would then think that Team A would get a throw-in on the endline or A2 would shoot bonus free throws if they are in the bonus. To recap B1 never touched A1.

After reading the NCAA rulebook I agree with you. I would also think whether to rule intentional the foul by B1.

The same would be in FIBA (but the foul could be unsportsmanlike, not intentional which does not exist) :) Don't know in NF

Scrapper1 Tue Dec 05, 2006 09:09am

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Originally Posted by All_Heart
The basket counts regardless because A1 had started the habitual try for goal. I would then think that Team A would get a throw-in on the endline or A2 would shoot bonus free throws if they are in the bonus. To recap B1 never touched A1.

You are correct for both HS and college. Count the basket and give A2 1-and-1 or a throw-in closest to the spot of the foul.

In the NBA, A2 would shoot 1 free throw with players lined up to rebound.

sj Tue Dec 05, 2006 09:20am

Did they give the ball to A? Or shoot a one and one if the bonus was in effect?

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 05, 2006 09:37am

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Originally Posted by Junker
USC is definitiely becoming a Tim Floyd team.

Does that mean that they'll win about 20% of their games, just like the Bulls?

Sorry....couldn't help myself. :D

All_Heart Tue Dec 05, 2006 09:42am

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Originally Posted by sj
Did they give the ball to A? Or shoot a one and one if the bonus was in effect?

I think they had A1 shoot 1 free throw.

All_Heart Tue Dec 05, 2006 09:43am

Is there a case play for this specific play?

What rules would I cite for this play?

SamIAm Tue Dec 05, 2006 09:49am

Another interesting play in the game -
Near the 12:00 mark in the 1st half, a USC bench player (B6) was up to check-in to the game. KU, A1, dribbling up the sideline, was unintentionally tripped by B6, and fell with the ball. A1 could have either been called for a travel or OOB violation, as it was hard to tell which happened first. Officials saw the incident and were aware of what happened.

Officials gave the ball to KU for a throw-in.

All_Heart Tue Dec 05, 2006 09:57am

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Originally Posted by SamIAm
Another interesting play in the game -
Near the 12:00 mark in the 1st half, a USC bench player (B6) was up to check-in to the game. KU, A1, dribbling up the sideline, was unintentionally tripped by B6, and fell with the ball. A1 could have either been called for a travel or OOB violation, as it was hard to tell which happened first. Officials saw the incident and were aware of what happened.

Officials gave the ball to KU for a throw-in.

There is actually another thread on this play: http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=29916

Junker Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:34am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Does that mean that they'll win about 20% of their games, just like the Bulls?

Sorry....couldn't help myself. :D

Yeah, he wasn't much of a pro coach. I really didn't expect him to succeed in that kind of environment. I was at Iowa State when he was there and loved watching his teams play D. We never had much of an offense, but neither did anyone we played. Funny post though! :D

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:12am

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Originally Posted by Junker
Yeah, he wasn't much of a pro coach. I really didn't expect him to succeed in that kind of environment. I was at Iowa State when he was there and loved watching his teams play D. We never had much of an offense, but neither did anyone we played.

In his defense, he got handed just a terrible pro team. No talent at all. God himself couldn't have won with that particular Bulls team.

Adam Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
I didn't see the play described, but I did watch some of this game. I was casually watching most of it and I was extremely impressed with the defensive intensity and how the game was called. USC is definitiely becoming a Tim Floyd team.

Who's he? :D

Junker Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:15pm

True enough. I think he's definitely more fitted to the college game. His demanding style would wear thin with the guys making big $$$$ in a hurry. His teams do know how to play some great defense though. I've never seen a team play perimeter defense like his last ISU team. You just never got an open look against them.

M&M Guy Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:44pm

Junker, Snaqwells - just another website to visit:

http://www.hamptonpirates.com/

:D

Adam Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:50pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Junker, Snaqwells - just another website to visit:

http://www.hamptonpirates.com/

:D

That's so beautiful I may tear up. Is it possible to laugh so hard you cry? I think it is.

Junker Tue Dec 05, 2006 01:15pm

You know, without even looking at that site, I think I know the content. I'm heading out for lunch. I may or may not park in the garage, shut the door, and let the car run at the mere mention on Hampton.:D

Junker Tue Dec 05, 2006 01:16pm

By the way, I have the same reaction anytime someone mentions Michigan State and blarges in the same sentence.:D

Adam Tue Dec 05, 2006 01:19pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
By the way, I have the same reaction anytime someone mentions Michigan State and blarges in the same sentence.:D

Don't forget technical fouls. :)

Junker Tue Dec 05, 2006 01:58pm

Larry certainly got his money's worth that night. I actually have never seen his whole tirade in that game. I had gotten so frustrated by then that I quit watching. I might have begun drowning my sorrows by then. :D

Adam Tue Dec 05, 2006 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
Larry certainly got his money's worth that night. I actually have never seen his whole tirade in that game. I had gotten so frustrated by then that I quit watching. I might have begun drowning my sorrows by then. :D

They probably would have lost anyway at that point, but the tirade sure didn't help. I remember watching it, wondering if he'd lost his mind. Now we know he'd probably been up partying with the Spartan coeds the night before.

Junker Tue Dec 05, 2006 02:06pm

The game was over by the time he went off. It was basically over on Morris' alley oop dunk. The rest of the game was all academic. I will say that I have a hard time watching replays of that game. There's other loses I can take, but that one was difficult. I really think ISU was the second best team in the nation that season, especially around tournament time. I could go off on things like neutral gamesites that happen to be in Michigan and such, but I won't. We all know what a bunch of cheaters the Big 11 is!:D

Raymond Tue Dec 05, 2006 03:56pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
You know, without even looking at that site, I think I know the content. I'm heading out for lunch. I may or may not park in the garage, shut the door, and let the car run at the mere mention on Hampton.:D

I work 10 minutes from the campus. That was a big win for the folks around here.


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