Rough start tonight, girls varsity!
 

What else could we have done? 2 man game. Score 6-0 in favor of white.
After a couple minutes of play we have a held ball. i'm at trail and look at arrow and point and say blue ball, very big crowd and my partner must not of heard or seen me, so when he looks at the arrow the time keeper has already switched instead of waiting till it comes in like he should, and it's pointing to white now. so while blue is looking at coach wondering what play to run, and me not noticing(my fault) who my partner is giving the ball to, white is shooting a layup on the other end before i could blink. Blue coach is going nuts and is out on the floor wanting an explanation, so he asks for a time out and just starts going off! I know that is not a correctable error so i tried to explain to him it was a mistake and there is nothing we could do about it, well he continues to go off, while i was upset i let this happen because i was the R i was trying to let him vent, but from behind me came my partner and T'd him up and said we can't talk to him all night, let's play! Then i had to calm him down again. So we shot 2 T's, made them both, threw ball in and hit a three...wow, now it's 13-0, so that mistake turned into a 7 pt play! We finally made it thru the half and i let my more experienced partner have it at half time for calling the T in front of me! it was a 25 pt lead at half time, but they came back and cut it to 4 with 2 minutes to go, but still ended up losing by 8.... i guess the 7 pt play, didn't mean anything right, they would of still won by one... :)

I think you need to report this idiot to your assignor. I mean its not really your fault. Yeah you should have noticed but he should have checked with you. I have been trained before you put the ball at the throwers disposal 1. Look at the table ( for subs ect) 2. Look at your partner ( makes sure he is ready) 3. Put the ball in play. Doesnt look to much to be your fault.

Funny thing, the assignor was there! Said there wasn't much else that could of been done. Of course partner and assignor work together though, so he isn't going to say much to him. I just felt bad because if i would of noticed who stepped out to take the ball, i could of stopped the whole thing!

Sign the book as J. Cluster F### from Camp Runamuck and drive the back roads going home.

Perhaps if you went to talk to your partner first, instead of talking to the coach you could have avoided some of the problems, like the T. Your partner at the time didn't know that the ball went to the wrong team. If he had been informed about what happened both of you could then deal with the coach on the same level.

in your description, from your partner's point of view (playing devil's advocate here) all he knows at the timeout is that the coach is going ballistic on you for some reason. Maybe he thinks he needs to step in and save you with the T - especially if he doesn't know what instigated the coach's behavior.

Bottom like is: communication is key - when something like that goes wrong it's more important to communicate with your partner first, then deal with coaches.

Here's your problem right here. Your partner had no business putting the ball in play until he knew you were ready, and the assignor should have told him so at half-time. This problem was clearly not yours!! Could you have prevented it? Yea, maybe, but that doesn't mean you should take the blame. And then while you're trying to get the coach under control, P comes in and throws gas on the fire.

I don't think I'd work with that P again.

How did this happen? Did your partner put the ball in play when you were not even in position? What were you looking at when he put the ball in play? Was this prevalent during the whole game? Communication is so important.

As i said i was trail when this happened, so when white thru it in and went to shoot the layup i became lead opposite the table, so my partner was right in front of table and coach going bolistic. He is the one that gave the time out and talked to the table first and called me over, so while i was talking to the home book and got the situation he just stood there behind me, so he did know what was going on, then while i was talking to the coach, he came over my shoulder and blew his whistle in my ear and t'd him up!

And as for the other comments: what was i looking at when i should of been looking at who my partner was giving the ball? Well, to tell you the truth, i was being heckled by a bunch of my friends that i teach with, this was the first game of a tournament, and it was being held at my home school where i teach, so they were giving me a hard time, and i had to make a couple comments back at them in good fun, but look what it got me! :)

Well at least you got that one out of your system with your first game. Nowhere to go but up from here!

I agree with others that it shouldn't have happened. Good communications between partners is esential for me, and that includes never putting a ball into play without making eye contact & getting an acknowledgement from my partner. That said, I sincerely hope someone ripped the time keeper a new one for causing the whole mess by not following proper procedure in changing the arrow.........

well like i said i was working at my home school, so i couldn't say to much to him, he is pretty tight with the big shots! But i did let him know when to change the arrow. He said his bad.. :)

Why are you working a varsity game at the school where you are employed?!?!? :eek:

I'm pretty sure it could be kosher if the teams involved are not the host team.

1. Don't officiate in a school where you are employed if your school is on the court. You cannot win!
2. If you officiate with that partner again don't do so without a GOOD PRE- GAME on how you are going to resume play AND EMPHASIZING TO LOOK AT EACH OTHER BEFORE PUTTING THE BALL IN PLAY ANYTIME.
3. Review the arrow procedure with the scorekeeper before the game, but do so in a positive way. Don't bring that play up.
4. See #1

1) You screwed up not staying focused with the game at hand. (Joking with the fans)

2) You screwed up by not pre-gaming to look at each other before every throw-in.

3) You screwed up by not paying attention to the person at the table reversing the arrow to early. (see #1)

4) You screwed up by not getting with your partner immediately after the mistake.


Question:

Why not screw up again and just make it right?

(Not saying I would ever do that...just asking hypothetically)

Careful there rook, some folks around here get snippy when you take this referee'ing stuff too seriously... cough cough rainmaker cough...

Good idea...not that I would ever do that, just sayin'

Watch it, bubba. You start throwing innuendo and slander around, some "stfu" might come your way, too...

Not saying I'd ever do that, but just thinking hypothetically here...

I'm concerned that I'm the first one here to suggest getting with the partner, waiving off the basket, and putting the ball in play correctly. Fix the clock if you can, but that's not that big a deal.

If you've played 3 minutes and just then found out, that's one thing. If you know after a quick throw in followed by a basket, get it right.

I've been skewered on this board for saying it before so start the skewering again. I know this does not fall under 2.10 correctable error. I know the book says that once the ball is caught inbounds, you can't fix it. That being said, if I can kill the play before the white teams scores..... well, hypothetically speaking of course.

Please don't mention "Rainmaker" and "get snippy" in the same sentence. Shudder.

I may not be able to get back to sleep tonight.:eek:

Ok, I missed the fact that his school might not actually have been playing. I still think it wouldn't be a good idea to take that assignment if the school is still alive in the tournament. Better to just let somebody else do the game than to have anybody think you might be less than objective.

Is this common practice to have only 2-man for Varsity? Everybody is jumping on your P back for T-ing the coach, but he was just protecting YOU! You both screwed up, just learn from your mistakes and make sure it doesnt happen again.

No biggie hun, I've gotten a stfu from better people than you.

just sayin...

Probably because most posters know that it is not a correctable error.

In our region especially we have 30 varsity refs and most nights we can't cover all the games with 3 man, especially on busy nights. So we try to use 3 man as much as we can but most of the time we do 2 man until tournament time.
I am rated highly at the schools that were playing and there was not a problem with me calling this game even though it was at my home school.
I never call for my school, too many potential problems.

Rookiedude, i admit I screwed up, didn't try to blame my partner, just said i wish he wouldn't of came over my back and gave a T, when it was our mistake.

And yes i thought about the "cancel basket, etc.." but I just couldn't get myself to do something that wasn't within the rules...Just a bad thing that happens and we made it through it and hope we can forget about it and learn from it!