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frank22 Thu Nov 30, 2006 02:18am
Call it or not??
 
Last night in Junior High game, A1 controls rebound and stands still waiting for everyone else to clear out. B2 comes around the backside of A1 and slaps the arm instead of the ball. Close game and getting more physical as time went on, I called foul. I noticed the coach's face on the way down the court and he didn't look happy about the call. He did not say anything though. Should I have let it go?

PYRef Thu Nov 30, 2006 02:27am
If it was a foul, call it, close game or not. If you don't, what happens the next time??

Nevadaref Thu Nov 30, 2006 02:43am
Don't worry about what the coach thinks.
Perhaps he was upset with his player for committing a silly foul 80 feet from the opponent's basket. You don't know.
The only thing that you should concern yourself with was if the contact placed the player with the ball at a disadvantage and needed to be called.

IREFU2 Thu Nov 30, 2006 08:34am
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Originally Posted by frank22
Last night in Junior High game, A1 controls rebound and stands still waiting for everyone else to clear out. B2 comes around the backside of A1 and slaps the arm instead of the ball. Close game and getting more physical as time went on, I called foul. I noticed the coach's face on the way down the court and he didn't look happy about the call. He did not say anything though. Should I have let it go?
Definately a foul. Possible intentional if he wasnt making a play for the ball.

Junker Thu Nov 30, 2006 09:34am
I'd call this at the JH level, but then again I don't work JH except one weekend tournament a year. In a HS game I'd lay off to get them up and down the court. The ball didn't come loose, it didn't gain anyone anything, why stop the game?

IREFU2 Thu Nov 30, 2006 09:41am
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Originally Posted by Junker
I'd call this at the JH level, but then again I don't work JH except one weekend tournament a year. In a HS game I'd lay off to get them up and down the court. The ball didn't come loose, it didn't gain anyone anything, why stop the game?
Ummm, you would pass on an obvious foul like that? That could cause problems. I agree if it is a light tap, but a slap????

Adam Thu Nov 30, 2006 09:47am
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Originally Posted by IREFU2
Ummm, you would pass on an obvious foul like that? That could cause problems. I agree if it is a light tap, but a slap????
Why is it an obvious foul if no advantage was gained? By rule, a necessary aspect for a foul here is an advantage.

IREFU2 Thu Nov 30, 2006 09:52am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Why is it an obvious foul if no advantage was gained? By rule, a necessary aspect for a foul here is an advantage.
I think you need to read this and think about you options:

SECTION 19 FOUL
A foul is an infraction of the rules which is charged and is penalized.

ART. 1 . . . A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead.:D

cmathews Thu Nov 30, 2006 09:58am
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Originally Posted by IREFU2
I think you need to read this and think about you options:

SECTION 19 FOUL
A foul is an infraction of the rules which is charged and is penalized.

ART. 1 . . . A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead.:D
hey I refu2 nice of you to highlight the text that helps your argument, but if you are really looking for the correct answer you should also note that in the next part of the sentence is says and I quote "which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements". That is what Snaqwells was pointing out and it is a valid point....

Junker Thu Nov 30, 2006 09:59am
The leagues I work in don't want this "nickel dime" nickel dime stuff called. It didn't affect anything so why stop play? If the ball gets loose I might call it but that's about the only time. If the coach doesn't like it, I'll just assure him he'll get the same treatment on the other side and we'll move on. If he wants to make a bigger issue of it, I'll just address that if it comes about.

IREFU2 Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:03am
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Originally Posted by cmathews
hey I refu2 nice of you to highlight the text that helps your argument, but if you are really looking for the correct answer you should also note that in the next part of the sentence is says and I quote "which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements". That is what Snaqwells was pointing out and it is a valid point....
His point may be valid in a sence, but the last time I checked, a slap on the arm is a foul. If not, then we need to move to the football forum.

Raymond Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:09am
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Originally Posted by Junker
The leagues I work in don't want this "nickel dime" nickel dime stuff called. It didn't affect anything so why stop play? If the ball gets loose I might call it but that's about the only time.
I agree with you but we need to consider this portion of the OP's post: ...and getting more physical as time went on...

Maybe the atmosphere of the game called for a "nickle/dime" call to help clean things up.

Jurassic Referee Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:12am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
I agree with you but we need to consider this portion of the OP's post: ...and getting more physical as time went on...

Maybe the atmosphere of the game called for a "nickle/dime" call to help clean things up.
Good point.That comes with experience sometimes....<b>when</b> to call something like this.

Junker Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:45am
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Good point.That comes with experience sometimes....<b>when</b> to call something like this.
I agree with this. If it's getting a little physical it might be a good one to take, but I'd rather get something else like a push on the block or during a rebound.

Jurassic Referee Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:51am
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Originally Posted by Junker
I agree with this. If it's getting a little physical it might be a good one to take, but I'd rather get something else like a push on the block or during a rebound.
And that falls under the category of "whatever works", as long as it does work. Can't knock the end result imo.


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