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johnnyrao Tue Nov 21, 2006 08:31am

Center Toss
 
Boys JH game last night. I am the R. I toss the ball up and wait to see which direction it is goin. As I glance up I see A1 (Team A's center) holding the ball with two hands then toss it to a teammate. I wait for a whistle from one of my partners but it never comes. I know this is not the R's call, but in this situation would you quickly put your whislte in your mouth and call it? I did not. I also had to listen to the Team B coach since I became the T right in front of his bench. He was right on this one. At halftime U1 said he thought the center just tapped it with both hands and U2 said he did not see it. Any advice for me for the future if I am the R? Looking back, I think I probably should have called it.

wfd21 Tue Nov 21, 2006 08:40am

I would give my partner first shot, then if no call, find my whistle and make the call, cause my whistle is not in my mouth when I toss.

eyezen Tue Nov 21, 2006 08:50am

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Which state do you work in that has three man in JH?

Back In The Saddle Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:06am

So... you're using the toss, duck, and cover method? :D

Old School Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:20am

Far as I'm concerned, all 3 of you dinked this up. Something that is not taught at all is the jump ball procedure. You tossed the ball and then you glanced up! That must have been one heck of a toss. When you toss the ball you should be looking up to make sure the jumpers don't touch the ball before it reaches it highest point. You also need to look up to make sure you tossed it straight. That way if someone grabs it, you are right there to see it.

Granted your partners are responsible to make this call, if they don't, then it's okay for you to call it, if you have defiant knowledge. Also, your toss may not have been high enough if one of the jumpers tipped it with two hands, which I don't think is legal anyway. You toss the ball high enough, they can't jump up and tip it with two hands.

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:42am

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Originally Posted by Old School

1) Also, your toss may not have been high enough if one of the jumpers tipped it with two hands, which I don't think is legal anyway.

2)You toss the ball high enough, they can't jump up and tip it with two hands.

Good Lord, JThomas from McGriffs comes out of retirement...and still doesn't own a rulebook.:rolleyes:

1) Borrow a book from somebody and look up what a jumper can legally do. As usual, you're completely wrong. There has <b>NEVER</b> been a rule in any ruleset stating that you can't tip a ball with 2 hands on a jump.

2) That statement ties for the dumbest one ever made on this forum. Why can't they can't tip it with 2 hands? Isn't the ball gonna come back down? Ever heard of "gravity"?

Lah me....

Old School Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:05am

[2) That statement ties for the dumbest one ever made on this forum. Why can't they can't tip it with 2 hands? Isn't the ball gonna come back down? Ever heard of "gravity"?

Lah me....[/QUOTE]

I hate to ask what was the dumbest if you think that was dumb.

Why can't you tip the ball with both hands? Because it might look like you caught it and beep, other way. Because if your coach sees this, you might not be the jumper anymore for your team. We don't have to worry about the between the lines in the rulebook JR. So technically, I guess you are correct, but realistically, it might not be that smart for a jumper to do.

Isn't the ball gonna come back down? Ever heard of gravity? Oh my, I got to respond to that. The objective of the jump ball procedure is to toss the ball high enough so that the ball is touched by one or both jumper at it's highest point. If that doesn't happen, than it probably wasn't a good toss.

Like I said, jump ball procedure needs to be taught and you can't learn that in a rulebook, JR, aka referee hater.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:10am

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Originally Posted by Old School
[2) That statement ties for the dumbest one ever made on this forum. Why can't they can't tip it with 2 hands? Isn't the ball gonna come back down? Ever heard of "gravity"?

Lah me....

I hate to ask what was the dumbest if you think that was dumb.

Why can't you tip the ball with both hands? Because it might look like you caught it and beep, other way. Because if your coach sees this, you might not be the jumper anymore for your team. We don't have to worry about the between the lines in the rulebook JR. So technically, I guess you are correct, but realistically, it might not be that smart for a jumper to do.[/quote]

Just because the coach might not want the jumper to do so, doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it's illegal -- as you "thought'" it might be.

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Isn't the ball gonna come back down? Ever heard of gravity? Oh my, I got to respond to that. The objective of the jump ball procedure is to toss the ball high enough so that the ball is touched by one or both jumper at it's highest point. If that doesn't happen, than it probably wasn't a good toss.
It's supposed to be touched "AFTER" it reaches its highest point, not "AT" its highest point. And, a "good" toss can be "stolen" (illegal, but it's still a good toss) or touched on the way back down.

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Like I said, jump ball procedure needs to be taught
Agreed. It doesn't look good if the game starts with a mistake by the officials.

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:18am

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Originally Posted by Old School
Like I said, jump ball procedure needs to be taught and you can't learn that in a rulebook, JR, aka referee hater.

You got that one completely wrong, JThomas. I don't hate referees. You aren't a referee and you never have been a referee. You certainly don't own the current rulebooks either, do you? I don't <b>like</b> people that pose as officials and have never officiated a game in their life, but still choose to disseminate false and misleading information. That would be you.

Raymond Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:23am

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Originally Posted by Old School
Granted your partners are responsible to make this call, if they don't, then it's okay for you to call it, if you have defiant knowledge.

Why does one have to know about disobedience in order to make this call?

rockyroad Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:25am

Hey JR, I liked the part where he told the OP'er that it was bad that he tosses it and then glanced up, but then went on to tell the OP'er that he should look up to make sure it's a good toss, yada, yada, yada...don't do it, but do it? Interesting...

j51969 Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:32am

Starting the game off on a bad note sets the wrong tone in my opinion. I think this is a pre-game topic.

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:32am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Hey JR, I liked the part where he told the OP'er that it was bad that he tosses it and then glanced up, but then went on to tell the OP'er that he should look up to make sure it's a good toss, yada, yada, yada...don't do it, but do it? Interesting...

This particular poster is quite familiar, Rocky. He's posted some real dandies over on McGriffs in the past in both the basketball and baseball forums. The problem is that you might get some younger, inexperienced officials that might actually swallow some of his posts.

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L?:D

Old School Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:40am

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Bob Jenkins says; Just because the coach might not want the jumper to do so, doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it's illegal -- as you "thought'" it might be.
If I "THOUGHT" he caught the ball Bob instead of tipping it with 2 hands, we're going the other way. Are we being a little anal here?

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Bob says; It's supposed to be touched "AFTER" it reaches its highest point, not "AT" its highest point.
Seriously Bob, you need to get out more! There is life outside of basketball, seriously, there is! I going to recommend that you and JR spend some quality time with a member of the opposite sex.

Peace

Dan_ref Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:41am

Looks like the thanksgiving turkey is making an early appearance

bob jenkins Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:50am

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Originally Posted by Old School
If I "THOUGHT" he caught the ball Bob instead of tipping it with 2 hands, we're going the other way. Are we being a little anal here?

It appears that you, not surprisingly, missed the point. At 9:20 this morning (according to the post header) you said:
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if one of the jumpers tipped it with two hands, which I don't think is legal anyway.
The whole point is that tipping the ball with two hands is legal, and counts as one of the two allowed touches.

Snake~eyes Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:55am

Something obvious like that happens I'm going to blow my whistle and call the violation.

Old School Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:56am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
The whole point is that tipping the ball with two hands is legal, and counts as one of the two allowed touches.

I think if I allowed you to tip the ball with 2 hands, that would count as 2 touches and you better not touch the ball again, until it is touched by a non-jumper or hits the floor.

I also think you need to get out more......

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I think if I allowed you to tip the ball with 2 hands, that would count as 2 touches and you better not touch the ball again, until it is touched by a non-jumper or hits the floor.

I also think you need to get out more......

Touching the ball with two hands at the <b>same time</b> is the same as <two</b> separate touches?

What did I tell you about this goober, folks. T-R-O-L-L! :D

M&M Guy Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:00pm

So, Old School, are you a referee? If so, how long and what levels have you worked?

I assume you've come to this forum to receive and dispense knowledge, just like the rest of us. Most of us receive knowledge from those we know have more than us. Other times we might discuss situations that have happened to us on the court. If you are coming here for the first time simply dispensing your knowledge, it would be helpful to the rest of us to know a little more about you.

Back In The Saddle Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I think if I allowed you to tip the ball with 2 hands, that would count as 2 touches and you better not touch the ball again, until it is touched by a non-jumper or hits the floor.

I also think you need to get out more......

And just why do you think that? :confused:

M&M Guy Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:33pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
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So, um, how come you haven't answered the questions posed to you by other posters, including me? If you dislike what other posters have said, make your point and move on to the discussion at hand. But if you continue to ignore legitimate questions and just call names, you are proving his point.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:41pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I think if I allowed you to tip the ball with 2 hands, that would count as 2 touches

Still wrong. Read the case plays.

M&M Guy Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:46pm

...<i>edited by</i>...

Thanks, Bob. For someone who has only posted a couple of times, it was already getting out of control.

Old School Tue Nov 21, 2006 03:06pm

Who's out of control, me or you?

Here's the deal. When I work basketball games, I want to see basketball plays. I have never seen a jumper go up on a jump and tap it with both hands, never. Can you name a case? When you start doing stuff like that, that's not basketball and the caution flag goes up. Are we playing volleyball today, or are we playing bb? I'm here to ref bb, so volleyball players please leave the court.

So deep in the case book, it is ruled legal. Great! That's just what we all need to know. I don't think it does anyone any good to get to carried away with issues like this that's never likely to occur.

Peace

JRutledge Tue Nov 21, 2006 03:18pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
Who's out of control, me or you?

Here's the deal. When I work basketball games, I want to see basketball plays. I have never seen a jumper go up on a jump and tap it with both hands, never. Can you name a case? When you start doing stuff like that, that's not basketball and the caution flag goes up. Are we playing volleyball today, or are we playing bb? I'm here to ref bb, so volleyball players please leave the court.

Just because something is unusual, does not make it illegal. It is not illegal to tap the ball with both hands at the same time. Unless you can show us something, I am not sure how you can call a violation for that action. I will agree that it is not usually seen, but this would be like calling a violation for something you do not see very often.

Peace

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 21, 2006 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
Who's out of control, me or you?

Here's the deal. When I work basketball games, I want to see basketball plays. I have never seen a jumper go up on a jump and tap it with both hands, never. Can you name a case? When you start doing stuff like that, that's not basketball and the caution flag goes up. Are we playing volleyball today, or are we playing bb? I'm here to ref bb, so volleyball players please leave the court.

So deep in the case book, it is ruled legal. Great! That's just what we all need to know. I don't think it does anyone any good to get to carried away with issues like this that's never likely to occur.

Is tipping a rebound into the basket with two hands a non-basketball play too?

Is tipping a rebound to a teammate with two hands a non-basketball play too?

Is tipping a pass to a teammate with two hands a non-basketball play too?

Is tipping the ball back in-bounds with two hands while saving it from going out-of-bounds a non-basketball play too?

Want me to keep going?

JThomas, you've never officiated a regular basketball game in your life.:rolleyes:

Btw, what is the rule book definition of a "tip" and where may I find it in the NFHS rule book?

M&M Guy Tue Nov 21, 2006 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
Who's out of control, me or you?

Easy answer right now.

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Originally Posted by Old School
When I work basketball games,

Good, you've finally answered that. So, what level do you work?

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Originally Posted by Old School
I want to see basketball plays. I have never seen a jumper go up on a jump and tap it with both hands, never. Can you name a case?

Actually, yes. HS girls, one of the jumpers was taller than me (I'm 6'). The other girl decided not to jump, because she knew she was out-manned. (Oops, bad choice of words.) The tap goes over the shorter girl's head, and she puts both arms up to block/defend, and the ball hits both hands. What would your call be in that instance, and why?

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Originally Posted by Old School
Are we playing volleyball today, or are we playing bb? I'm here to ref bb, so volleyball players please leave the court.

So, is that your answer to my previous question - would you eject the player for playing volleyball instead of basketball?

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Originally Posted by Old School
So deep in the case book, it is ruled legal. Great! That's just what we all need to know. I don't think it does anyone any good to get to carried away with issues like this that's never likely to occur.

Actually, it is good to know. If an official has a good knowledge of the rules, they will be able to handle that once-or-twice in a lifetime call.

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Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 21, 2006 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1

Mmmmmmm.......

bob jenkins Tue Nov 21, 2006 03:59pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I have never seen a jumper go up on a jump and tap it with both hands, never. Can you name a case?

Happened already this year. Both jumpers hit the ball, then when the ball came down, one of them hit it with both hands (simultaneously). Fortunately, my partner knew the rule and didn't blow the whistle.

M&M Guy Tue Nov 21, 2006 04:07pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1

Tanner - good job!

Dang it though; you made me drool on my keyboard.

Old School Tue Nov 21, 2006 04:10pm

I totally agree with you RUT. However, none of these points that the others mention or related to the center toss. I was referring to the jump ball, not a rebound, not a pass to a teammate because the jumper can't pass it to a teammate. When you jump up to tip the ball, it is 99.99999999% tip'd with one hand. Why the rulebook has that .00000001% case is a mystery to me.

It all gets back to using the correct procedure like I said orginally. The basic theory behind the jump ball is the have the highest jumper tip the ball to a teammate. This use to be a special honor for a player. It is all about who can jump the highest. I believe that there is no one in the game of bb that will tell you, they can jump higher with 2 hands up then with 1. I also believe there is no coach that will teach the proper mechanic for the jump ball is to jump with 2 hands either. The key is to throw the ball so these jumpers will have to jump as high as they can to tip the jump ball. If you don't throw it up high enough, then I suppose a 2-hand tap will work, but that's more a poor toss. In the case of the girl protecting herself and just trying to get her hands on the ball. Poor technique if you ask me.

Back In The Saddle Tue Nov 21, 2006 04:10pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
Are we playing volleyball today, or are we playing bb? I'm here to ref bb, so volleyball players please leave the court.

Having just finished my first year of reffing volleyball, I have to say that while it would be unusual to see volleyball ball-handling techniques used in a basketball game, I can't think of any that would be illegal (well, contact with the leg or foot, but I've only seen that done deliberately out of desperation).

Bump, set, spike, and tapping the ball with two hands -- they're all legal, even if never done.

j51969 Tue Nov 21, 2006 04:33pm

All I see in rule 6-3 is as long as prior to the jump all the requirements have been met, no jumper shall touch the ball more than twice. Even if you counted each hand individually it would still be two touches. This is truely a goof play that happens once in a lifetime.

Smitty Tue Nov 21, 2006 04:39pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I believe that there is no one in the game of bb that will tell you, they can jump higher with 2 hands up then with 1. I also believe there is no coach that will teach the proper mechanic for the jump ball is to jump with 2 hands either. The key is to throw the ball so these jumpers will have to jump as high as they can to tip the jump ball. If you don't throw it up high enough, then I suppose a 2-hand tap will work, but that's more a poor toss. In the case of the girl protecting herself and just trying to get her hands on the ball. Poor technique if you ask me.

Who cares?

Adam Tue Nov 21, 2006 04:42pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I totally agree with you RUT. However, none of these points that the others mention or related to the center toss. I was referring to the jump ball, not a rebound, not a pass to a teammate because the jumper can't pass it to a teammate. When you jump up to tip the ball, it is 99.99999999% tip'd with one hand. Why the rulebook has that .00000001% case is a mystery to me.

It all gets back to using the correct procedure like I said orginally. The basic theory behind the jump ball is the have the highest jumper tip the ball to a teammate. This use to be a special honor for a player. It is all about who can jump the highest. I believe that there is no one in the game of bb that will tell you, they can jump higher with 2 hands up then with 1. I also believe there is no coach that will teach the proper mechanic for the jump ball is to jump with 2 hands either. The key is to throw the ball so these jumpers will have to jump as high as they can to tip the jump ball. If you don't throw it up high enough, then I suppose a 2-hand tap will work, but that's more a poor toss. In the case of the girl protecting herself and just trying to get her hands on the ball. Poor technique if you ask me.

This may or may not all be true, but it's irrelevant to an official. We don't officiate technique; that's called coaching.
And whether the jumpers hit it with two hands has nothing to do with the quality of the toss. Both jumpers may mis-time their jumps and the ball may be well on the way down when they hit it.

I'm having visions of Ace Ventura bending over to talk to his supervisor here.

j51969 Tue Nov 21, 2006 04:49pm

Maybe your right, who does care. But it seems to me the thing that seperates officials, is getting the obscure call correct and being able to explain it. Thier are a lot of good officials, and something has to seperate you from them. Knowledge of the rules and how to apply them seems like a good start. Lots of officials look great out on the court, and then are lost once the game starts. This forum and these discussions, however trivial are where that begins. I'm new to this site and enjoy the topical debate on such things. Just my opinion.

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 21, 2006 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by j51969
But it seems to me the thing that seperates officials, is getting the obscure call correct and being able to explain it.

That is <b>not</b> really an obscure call though. You're talking about a definition that is relevant to several different situations, not just the opening jump ball. This rules concept comes up during rebounding, saving balls from going OOB, etc., as I listed before. You have to know what player control is, and how it applies to the different situations. See rule 4-15-4NOTE2. That says that there is no player control when a player is slapping the ball during a jump, or batting a rebound or pass away from another player. .

Don't drink the Kool-Aid from the old non-official that is posting in this thread. You would be very wise to completely disregard everything that he says.

<i>"He knoweth not what he speaks!"</i>.:)

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 21, 2006 07:47pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I was referring to the jump ball, not a rebound, not a pass to a teammate because <font color = red>the jumper can't pass it to a teammate</font>.

Another good one.:)

Right from the rulebook-- <i>"a pass is movement of the ball caused by the player who throws, <b>bats</b>, or rolls the ball to another player"</i>.

The jumper can't bat the ball to a teammate, eh?:rolleyes:

If you had a rulebook, you might have known that one, Old Troll.

johnnyrao Tue Nov 21, 2006 08:53pm

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Originally Posted by eyezen
OT Reply:

Which state do you work in that has three man in JH?

Alabama. In some schools we do it by choice and split the money three ways. We do high school with three so we also do JH with three to work on it and train newer officials.

I appreciate all the responses. To cut through to the meat of what I learned in this thread, it is that in the future, even though it may be a late whistle, I will call it if I know for sure what I saw. Also, I learned a two hand touch is legal. It may never happen but now I know that if it does happen I am ready for it.

Finally, I have never been to a camp so I am going off of my training and what I have learned from this web site. As the R, I toss the ball and, no I usually do not look up. I have practiced my toss and almost always get a good one. I don't look up until late because I was told that is a good way to get a broken nose from tall players. I also do not have my whistle in my mouth. If this is not correct then what is the correct way to do it?

rainmaker Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:38pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
IIt all gets back to using the correct procedure like I said orginally. The basic theory behind the jump ball is the have the highest jumper tip the ball to a teammate. This use to be a special honor for a player. It is all about who can jump the highest. I believe that there is no one in the game of bb that will tell you, they can jump higher with 2 hands up then with 1. I also believe there is no coach that will teach the proper mechanic for the jump ball is to jump with 2 hands either. The key is to throw the ball so these jumpers will have to jump as high as they can to tip the jump ball. If you don't throw it up high enough, then I suppose a 2-hand tap will work, but that's more a poor toss. In the case of the girl protecting herself and just trying to get her hands on the ball. Poor technique if you ask me.

There's a saying in volleyball (you're the one who brought up that subject) that seems to work for this case too. Ugly ain't illegal. Bad toss? Re-do it. Poor technique, but it gets the job done? Play on!. Ugly play, that's "not basketball"? If it ain't illegal, it's play on.

Old School Wed Nov 22, 2006 03:33pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Another good one.:)

Right from the rulebook-- <i>"a pass is movement of the ball caused by the player who throws, <b>bats</b>, or rolls the ball to another player"</i>.

The jumper can't bat the ball to a teammate, eh?:rolleyes:

If you had a rulebook, you might have known that one, Old Troll.


I don't think the world's gonna come to an end if I call a violation because I thought the jumper grabbed the ball with 2 hands instead of tapping, batting, or rolling the tip to a teammate.

Peace

M&M Guy Wed Nov 22, 2006 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I don't think the world's gonna come to an end if I call a violation because I thought the jumper grabbed the ball with 2 hands instead of tapping, batting, or rolling the tip to a teammate.

Welcome back, Old School.

Did you have a chance to go over any of the questions I asked you a while back?

If not, I'm sure the world isn't gonna to come to an end. :)

Adam Wed Nov 22, 2006 03:44pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
I don't think the world's gonna come to an end if I call a violation because I thought the jumper grabbed the ball with 2 hands instead of tapping, batting, or rolling the tip to a teammate.

Peace

Ah, but that's not what you said you'd do. You said you'd call a violation if you thought the jumper "tapped" the ball with two hands simultaneously. While the world may not come to an end (the world isn't going to come to an end no matter what we do on a basketball court), it is still the absolute wrong call.

Old School Wed Nov 22, 2006 03:52pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyrao
Alabama.
I have practiced my toss and almost always get a good one. I don't look up until late because I was told that is a good way to get a broken nose from tall players. I also do not have my whistle in my mouth. If this is not correct then what is the correct way to do it?

If you don't look up, how do you know if the toss is straight? How do you know if the toss reached it's highest point before a jumper tipped it with 2 hands? To me, you have to look up. If somethings wrong, you're right there to see it and you always have the option to re-toss your own toss.

Don't worry about getting hit by a jumper. Worry about getting your toss right, straight and high enough. The whistle should not be in your mouth. Last thing, be observant as you toss. If you see something coming at you, elbow, foot, wild swinging arm, get your hand up and protect yourself. With the boys/men, separate them a bit at the circle. They do not need to be right up against each other for your toss. That space in between is for you and it will help keep them from contacting you with a body part when you release the ball to start the jump.

Adam Wed Nov 22, 2006 03:54pm

Worry about protecting yourself. Your partner has this call for a reason; it's a better angle than you have.

Old School Wed Nov 22, 2006 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Worry about protecting yourself. Your partner has this call for a reason; it's a better angle than you have.

What do you do if your partner doesn't call it? If you have definite knowledge, you can call it too. It's your toss.

Peace

BLydic Wed Nov 22, 2006 04:09pm

Yeah but, if you don't know the rules regarding a jump ball, how can you call anything?

Adam Wed Nov 22, 2006 04:17pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
What do you do if your partner doesn't call it? If you have definite knowledge, you can call it too. It's your toss.

Peace

True enough, but it's not your primary responsibility. Personally, I watch the ball all the way, but if someone is concerned about the activity affecting his face, I have no problem with a little self-preservation here.

johnnyrao Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:19pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Worry about protecting yourself. Your partner has this call for a reason; it's a better angle than you have.

We use three person mechanics so we should have two people that are ready to make that call. But, since I did see it I should have called it. Lesson learned here.

Adam Thu Nov 23, 2006 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyrao
We use three person mechanics so we should have two people that are ready to make that call. But, since I did see it I should have called it. Lesson learned here.

Exactly right. Technically, the R doesn't have to be looking there since it's not the R's call. However, it's just like an airball on the free throw. If the T misses it and the L knows it happened, L needs to hit the whistle.


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