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j51969 Mon Nov 20, 2006 05:50pm

Team control foul
 
When was the team control foul instituted into high school ball?

btaylor64 Mon Nov 20, 2006 06:03pm

This year.

Jurassic Referee Mon Nov 20, 2006 06:11pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64
This year.

You didn't call those <b>last</b> year? :D

Jurassic Referee Mon Nov 20, 2006 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by j51969
When was the team control foul instituted into high school ball?

In 2005/06.

Scrapper1 Mon Nov 20, 2006 08:55pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
You didn't call those <b>last</b> year? :D

In defense of btaylor, the signal for the team control foul is new to the NFHS this year. Maybe that's what he was thinking of.

rainmaker Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:53am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
In defense of btaylor, the signal for the team control foul is new to the NFHS this year. Maybe that's what he was thinking of.

He also might have not worked in 2005, due to an injury and just started using the TC in Jan, 2006, which by some people might still be called "this year". It was instituted in the 2005-06 season, as Jurassic pointed out.

IREFU2 Tue Nov 21, 2006 09:00am

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Originally Posted by btaylor64
This year.

Last year.....

j51969 Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:00am

The team control mechanic which looks exactly like a delayed lane viloation. When is the mechanic imployed? Is it at the time of the foul or when reporting to the table as with a hold, push etc..

IREFU2 Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:04am

It is used at the time of the foul, just like the player control foul. As far as reporting, I asked about this at our board meeting last night and I was told just to do the offensive signal at the table. This is just to clarify to them that there is not going to be any free throws.

Raymond Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:10am

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Originally Posted by IREFU2
It is used at the time of the foul, just like the player control foul. As far as reporting, I asked about this at our board meeting last night and I was told just to do the offensive signal at the table. This is just to clarify to them that there is not going to be any free throws.

I must have been really late to our meeting b/c I missed that. So you are saying Steve told us to use the Player Control signal at the table when reporting a Team Control foul?

IREFU2 Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:13am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
I must have been really late to our meeting b/c I missed that. So you are saying Steve told us to use the Player Control signal at the table when reporting a Team Control foul?

No, I was talking to our beloved "t" and actually textbook asked the question and she I responded to him to use other signal at the table and she said it would be wise just to use the team control signal at the table. Call me and I will give you the details.

j51969 Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:26am

That sounds reasonable. I seen it done different ways. Some officials will bird dog the offender and then point in the opposite direction. NF says unauthorized mechcanics confuse players, coaches, and fans. I always thought that was pretty decisive. As long as your association is doing it the same way and debating about it openly it works for me. Thanks for the response.

TimTaylor Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:18pm

What we've been told - applies State-wide:

At point of foul: whistle with raised fist, team control signal, type of foul, point to designated spot for inbound
At table: team color, player number, team control signal, direction ball will go on inbound

Also OK to clarify briefly verbally in conjunction with signals, ie: white foul, number 4, team control, blue ball

mbyron Tue Nov 21, 2006 02:04pm

For Ohio, our state interpreter told us to disregard the new team-control signal, and to use only the player-control signal and point the direction the ball will go.

tjones1 Tue Nov 21, 2006 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron
For Ohio, our state interpreter told us to disregard the new team-control signal, and to use only the player-control signal and point the direction the ball will go.

:eek: Yikes! That's very interesting. I can see where he's coming from, but seems like a little much. If I were a coach and knew the rules (ha, good one I know), he could cause you a lot of problems.

Does your interpreter also do the evaluations of those officials who are selected to go deep in the post season?


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