Team control foul
 

When was the team control foul instituted into high school ball?

This year.

You didn't call those <b>last</b> year? :D

In 2005/06.

In defense of btaylor, the signal for the team control foul is new to the NFHS this year. Maybe that's what he was thinking of.

He also might have not worked in 2005, due to an injury and just started using the TC in Jan, 2006, which by some people might still be called "this year". It was instituted in the 2005-06 season, as Jurassic pointed out.

Last year.....

The team control mechanic which looks exactly like a delayed lane viloation. When is the mechanic imployed? Is it at the time of the foul or when reporting to the table as with a hold, push etc..

It is used at the time of the foul, just like the player control foul. As far as reporting, I asked about this at our board meeting last night and I was told just to do the offensive signal at the table. This is just to clarify to them that there is not going to be any free throws.

I must have been really late to our meeting b/c I missed that. So you are saying Steve told us to use the Player Control signal at the table when reporting a Team Control foul?

No, I was talking to our beloved "t" and actually textbook asked the question and she I responded to him to use other signal at the table and she said it would be wise just to use the team control signal at the table. Call me and I will give you the details.

That sounds reasonable. I seen it done different ways. Some officials will bird dog the offender and then point in the opposite direction. NF says unauthorized mechcanics confuse players, coaches, and fans. I always thought that was pretty decisive. As long as your association is doing it the same way and debating about it openly it works for me. Thanks for the response.

What we've been told - applies State-wide:

At point of foul: whistle with raised fist, team control signal, type of foul, point to designated spot for inbound
At table: team color, player number, team control signal, direction ball will go on inbound

Also OK to clarify briefly verbally in conjunction with signals, ie: white foul, number 4, team control, blue ball

For Ohio, our state interpreter told us to disregard the new team-control signal, and to use only the player-control signal and point the direction the ball will go.

:eek: Yikes! That's very interesting. I can see where he's coming from, but seems like a little much. If I were a coach and knew the rules (ha, good one I know), he could cause you a lot of problems.

Does your interpreter also do the evaluations of those officials who are selected to go deep in the post season?

I can't answer that question.

Just went over this at our association meeting - also in Ohio I might add.

We are to show a foul (fist raised), Player control, and then point to a spot. Follow up by reporting the foul. They said they wanted this to clearly show there will be no free throws during a team control situation.

Oh My!!!!!:eek:

I think the use of the PC signal is reasonable. Except for an airborne shot, the fouls are exactly the same in who it is on (a player on the team in control of the ball) and the penalty is the same (to the other team OOB nearest the foul). Don't know why they felt the need to create a new signal to indicate a foul that is only distinguished by which player has the ball.

Because 99% of fans, bench personnel, coaches and television announcers are going to be watching the ball, and if you call a foul and signal PC, and there wasn't a defender within 10 feet of the shooter, everyone is going to think you're crazy. That's why a TC signal is useful. It says, "I was watching off-ball, whether you were or not, and there are still rules that apply even away from the ball." Doesn't really seem that difficult to me!

errrmmm....so these people who I infer (and you imply) are ignorant subhumans are gonna smile and nod their heads like a group of wise scholars when you give this particular signal and murmer "ahhh...good call, yes, good call after all..." when they see the TC foul signal?

(:rolleyes: <-- we need a smiley stronger than this to imply huge amounts of sarcasm)

I think the punch is...well, stupid. And I won't be doing it.

(There, I said it.)

Of course I don't think one signal is going to make all these ignorant subhumans agree with my call. But I do think it can reduce the opportunities for the cretins on the bench to scream, once they understand that the signal means that the foul was away from the ball. My experience is that when I explain that the foul was away from the ball, they shut up, because they know they weren't looking there. This signal can help speed that explanation process.

So do you not use the punch in college, Dan? Do you signal all TC fouls with the hand behind the head?

Punch might be a ncaa-w mechanic.

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They already will think we're crazy when that whistle blows....until the number of the player that fouled is announced.

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I think you meant last year!