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Sat Sep 15, 2001, 11:28pm
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I just worked a game where this happened: I am trail and a player attempts a three point shot from below the free throw line extended on the lead's side. Being in his primary, he indicates a three point attempt but when the ball goes in, he does nothing. I go up with the successful three point shot. In talking about it with him at first opportunity, he says that as lead he is only supposed to indicate the three point attempt and not to signal at all if it is successful. The manual says that the covering official (in this case the lead) should signal both the attempt and the successful shot and that the trail should then mirror the successful shot signal. This is how I have been doing it for some time but he insisted otherwise. While it is clear what the book says, I was wondering if anyone else having a problem in this area?
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Sun Sep 16, 2001, 02:09am
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I have found that if the lead makes the signal on a 3 below the free throw line (correctly) and the trail doesn't mirror it, the chances of the table not knowing it was a 3 are about 1 in 2 and the chances of the table at least asking about it are at least 1 in 4. I always mirror if I am trail, but never mirror if I am lead.
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Sun Sep 16, 2001, 07:54am
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Per Padgett = Per book
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2001-2003 Officials Manual "281.c. When a player attempts a three-point field goal, the official whose area the player is in will signal by extending one arm at head level with three fingers extended. 281.d. If the three-point attempt is successful, the covering official will signal by extending both arms over the head with palms facing each other. When the Trail Official signals a successful three-point attempt, the Lead official shall not mirror the signal. When the Lead official signals a successful three-point attempt, the Trail official shall mirror the signal." In the original post, the covering Lead official kicked the mechanic in 281.d. by not signalling the successful attempt. If the Trail had not seen the signal for attempt, then he will not signal the successful attempt. Yes, the Lead should show "success". mick
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Sun Sep 16, 2001, 08:40am
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 I've deleted the post so as to know create an confusion.
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Mon Sep 17, 2001, 11:30am
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Generally, where I am at we try to do what your partner did. You have seen what the mechanics manual states. But most of the guys that work here dont signal the successfule three unless they know the trail did not pick up the inital cue of the three pointer. We have found it is cleaner and looks better without both going up. The way we do it... Lead raises the one arm (ques it) , Trail sees it and goes up, when trail is up with the que, lead drops it, when it goes in trail is the only one who signals. Your partner may have been to a camp that learned it this way... There are several places that teach that mechanic
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Mon Sep 17, 2001, 12:16pm
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I believe your partner was confusing two-person mechanics with the NCAA three-person mechanic...in two person, he should have signalled the successful three-pointer...in NCAA three-person, you don't give that touchdown signal from the lead spot...
dj
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Mon Sep 17, 2001, 12:37pm
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from L, no?
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Tue Sep 18, 2001, 01:30pm
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3 person mens
Dan,
The L can and may need to give the "3 signal" in the transition game. He will drop it after one of the other two officials picks up his signal and goes up with their own "3". He still does not signal the make however.
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Tue Sep 18, 2001, 01:56pm
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Re: 3 person mens
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mick
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Tue Sep 18, 2001, 02:35pm
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Re: 3 person mens
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 )I gotcha, thanks. Falls under the heading of "make sure we get it right", no? Dan
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