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Love2ref4Ever Fri Sep 14, 2001 08:22pm

As officials we are trained to look out for jewelry,from the moment we walk on the floor until we speak with the captains pryor to the game.Now after checking out everyone thoroughly we are ready to start the game.Then we say a few words to our partner(s) and we notice that our partner(s) have a nice shiny gold chain around there neck(s) Is this accepted now by supervisors of officials or do some officials think this is not a big deal?

Peter Devana Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:01pm

Jewellry
 
The rules of the game should apply to the officials on the floor. They can endure the same injuries as the players and jewellry can create the same problems. I have been involved with many associations over 40 years as an official and none of them allowed officials to wear any kind of jewellry- now ,that is not to say some of them did not break the rules and wore their medic alerts and wedding bands but officially it was never allowed and I never saw anyone wear such things at the higher levels of amateur competition.
Pistol

Brian Watson Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:36pm

Ohio High Schools take the stance that wedding bands and med alert braclets are OK, everything else must go.


Mark Padgett Sat Sep 15, 2001 12:43am

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Originally posted by Brian Watson
Ohio High Schools take the stance that wedding bands and med alert braclets are OK, everything else must go.


What about nipple rings and belly-button studs? They don't show.

Danvrapp Sat Sep 15, 2001 10:09am

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
What about nipple rings and belly-button studs? They don't show.
Then I suppose you deserve your fate!

JM_Italia Sat Sep 15, 2001 11:41am

A mr. T like golden chain???
 
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Originally posted by Love2ref4Ever
As officials we are trained to look out for jewelry,from the moment we walk on the floor until we speak with the captains pryor to the game.Now after checking out everyone thoroughly we are ready to start the game.Then we say a few words to our partner(s) and we notice that our partner(s) have a nice shiny gold chain around there neck(s) Is this accepted now by supervisors of officials or do some officials think this is not a big deal?
Jewelry worn by referees, in my opinion, wouldn't pose such a threath as when worn by players (since a ref isn't exposed to the level of contact players can experience). Still I think a referee has a function as a role model and as such I find it not acceptable for him to be wearing jewelry. Therefore I think it's quite acceptable to point this out to your partner(s). This for me being theoretical, since I'm still to experience such a situation.

Love2ref4Ever Sat Sep 15, 2001 02:50pm

Officials Wearing Jewelry During The Games
 
A veteran official once told me that certain things can hold you back if you are trying to advance.He explained that if a observer is looking to fill a vacancy in there staff, and it comes down to two officials to choose from. The way some observers look to make there choice is by looking for the official who looks the part.I would hate to be passed over because I choose to wear a Mr. T Starter Kit around my neck!

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Sep 15, 2001 03:32pm

The NFHS 2001-03 Basketball Officials Manual only allows wedding rings and the CCA Manuals for 2-Person and 3-Person Crews do not even allow weddings rings.

Since I have been officiating basketball long before I met my smart, wonderful, and beautiful wife, I do not even wear my wedding ring when I officiate a high school game let alone a college game.

Mark Padgett Sat Sep 15, 2001 04:02pm

Oh yeah - wear your wedding ring, guys. Then quickly turn to point the direction for an OOB and smack some kid in the face with it - liability city! And yes, it is different than if you would have inadvertantly poked him in the eye.

BTW - I have worked a few rec games with a guy who always shows up late, reeks of tobacco stench and wears about 3 heavy gold neck chains. I told the scheduler at that facility not to schedule me with him ever again. Also BTW - he's a lousy ref, too. Fortunately, he is on the "everyone else is absolutely unavailable" list.

Danvrapp Sun Sep 16, 2001 05:45pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Oh yeah - wear your wedding ring, guys. Then quickly turn to point the direction for an OOB and smack some kid in the face with it - liability city!
Any football fans here...specifically Carolina (not me, thank goodness!)? Chris Weinke wears that medical tape stuff on his ring finger during games as a "reminder" to both himself and his wife watching on TV that they're married. The announcers explained it, and I though that was kinda neat-o!

Peter Devana Sun Sep 16, 2001 06:18pm

Everyone
 
Listen to Mr. De Nucci.
Pistol

mick Sun Sep 16, 2001 07:51pm

...whatever....
 
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Originally posted by Danvrapp

Chris Weinke wears that medical tape stuff on his ring finger during games as a "reminder" to both himself and his wife watching on TV that they're married.


I don't <u>need</u> a ring, or a chunk of tape, to remind me.
I know. I won't forget.
...of course, I'm not young, good looking or an NFL QB.
mick

Just Curious Sun Sep 16, 2001 08:27pm

Re: Officials Wearing Jewelry During The Games
 
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Originally posted by Love2ref4Ever
The way some observers look to make there choice is by looking for the official who looks the part.I would hate to be passed over because I choose to wear a Mr. T Starter Kit around my neck!
I suppose that means that the "Braveheart" Kit is out too???? No long braids or painted face in the State of your choice?

Just Curious Sun Sep 16, 2001 08:36pm

Re: Re: Officials Wearing Jewelry During The Games
 
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Originally posted by Just Curious
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Originally posted by Love2ref4Ever
The way some observers look to make there choice is by looking for the official who looks the part.I would hate to be passed over because I choose to wear a Mr. T Starter Kit around my neck!
I suppose that means that the "Braveheart" Kit is out too???? No long braids or painted face in the State of your choice?

BTW.... I subscribe to the "Don't ask someone to do something you're not prepared to do yourself" philosophy... I always remove my wristwatch and wedding band.....

mick Mon Sep 17, 2001 03:41pm

Tell that story, Mark.
 
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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Since I have been officiating basketball long before I met my smart, wonderful, and beautiful wife, I do not even wear my wedding ring when I officiate a high school game let alone a college game.

Mark,
Tell your story about the Lawyer and the ring that wouldn't come off. ;)
mick

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Sep 17, 2001 08:53pm

Mick, you have me at a disadvantage because you know a good story about me and I do not know how you heard about it but I will gladly tell the story.

First off you have to remember that I am a structural engineer so I am use to doing due diligence on behalf of my client. A few years ago I was officiating in a girls' spring tournament (that was made up of AAU and YBOA teams) at Eastern Michigan Univ. My partner was a lawyer, who speacilized in civil litigation.

I was the R for the game and during the pregame Steve and I were checking for jewelery and other illegal stuff on the players. One of the players was wearing a ring. I informed her that the wearing of jewelery was prohibited. She informed Steve and I that she could not get the ring off. We told her that we could not make her to take the ring off but she could not play while wearing the ring.

A few minutes later her coach approached us. Her coach was her father and he said that he did not understand why his daughter could not wear the ring. I told him that it was a safety matter and that whether I am officiating or engineering I always put the safety of my client first.

At this point the coach informed us that he was a dentist and he would never put in patients at risk. I told him that since he was a dentist then he should understand the liability risks that sports officials face. He then said that he would sign a waiver for his daughter promising not to sue us if she got hurt. I told him that it did not matter becuase if she did get hurt he would definitely sue me. The coach then said that he would never sue me if his daughter got hurt if we allowed him to sign a waiver.

At this point, Steve, my ever helpful partner, told the coach that he was a litigation lawyer, and if I allowed him to sign a waiver for his daughter and she got hurt, he would sue me for him. The coach looked at him in disbelief and Steve assured him that he would sue me. The coach looked at me and I told him that Steve would sue me. The coach then decided we were serious about the ring and he made his daughter go into the restroom and use soap to remove the ring.

Mark Padgett Mon Sep 17, 2001 09:40pm

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
The coach then decided we were serious about the ring and he made his daughter go into the restroom and use soap to remove the ring.
Amazing how her finger shrunk that quickly! Whenever a player tells me "it won't come off", I ask him (or her) if they were born with it. When they say, "HUH?", I tell them that if they were able to get it on, then they're able to get it off.

Then I give them the choice of playing or not playing. There is a post on another board about earrings and it says to offer the player three options:

1) they can take the earrings off and play
2) they can leave the earrings on and not play
3) they can take their ears off and play

When you tell them the third, say "your coach will hold them for you until after the game."

Mark Dexter Mon Sep 17, 2001 10:37pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
3) they can take their ears off and play

When you tell them the third, say "your coach will hold them for you until after the game."

Does that apply to other piercings as well? Maybe we could sneak into coaches' houses, give them all tongue rings, then say "Sorry coach, but rules 2-3 and 2-10 require me to remove your tongue." If any coaches can figure out those rules, let them keep the tongue and the ring.

Mark Padgett Tue Sep 18, 2001 12:47am

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Maybe we could sneak into coaches' houses, give them all tongue rings.
How are you going to do that? The last time I checked, the zoo had locks on all the howler monkey cages.

Richard Ogg Tue Sep 18, 2001 02:17pm

Removing tight rings
 
BTW, not that I carry it, but Windex or other window cleaner works better than soap to remove tight rings.

Mark Padgett Wed Sep 19, 2001 12:13am

Re: Removing tight rings
 
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Originally posted by Richard Ogg
BTW, not that I carry it, but Windex or other window cleaner works better than soap to remove tight rings.
Richard (and others): IANAL, but please don't offer a chemical to a player for any reason, even just to help get a ring off. Here's why - you offer chemical, player accepts, player uses, player has allergic reaction, player's parents sue your *** off.

ChuckElias Wed Sep 19, 2001 09:02am

IANAL. . .
 
BIPOOTV?

Mark Dexter Wed Sep 19, 2001 06:44pm

Re: IANAL. . .
 
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
BIPOOTV?
I think it's now "BISAAHILN"

Mark Padgett Thu Sep 27, 2001 07:06pm

Re: Re: IANAL. . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
BIPOOTV?
I think it's now "BISAAHILN"

BIPOOTV? BISAAHILN? OK guys - I give up. I stopped at IAABO (I Am A Blind Official).

ChuckElias Thu Sep 27, 2001 09:15pm

Re: Re: Re: IANAL. . .
 
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
BIPOOTV?
I think it's now "BISAAHILN"

BIPOOTV? BISAAHILN? OK guys - I give up. I stopped at IAABO (I Am A Blind Official).

IANAL -- I am not a lawyer. . .
BIPOOTV -- But I play one on TV

Somebody's going to have to help you with the last couple. I was stumped too, just didn't want to admit it!

Chuck

Mark Dexter Sun Sep 30, 2001 09:13am

BISAAHILN - . . . but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night!


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