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drinkeii Tue Nov 07, 2006 06:30am
States/Associations requiring retest
 
I have noticed over the years people referring to the current year's version of the NFHS tests. In PA, in my area (Erie), none of the chapters I know of require anyone to retest regularly. We pass the test the first time, and as long as you stay an active official according to PIAA rules (Attend a yearly rules meeting and 6 chapter meetings, pay dues), you never have to retest.

How many places require people to retake the test, by state rule or by association rule? I think it would be very beneficial, as the number of officials I worked with in other sports this year that messed up simple rules this year stood out in comparison to my last 7 years of officiating. I do Soccer, Swimming, and Basketball.

Also, I'm not looking for "Do you use questions from tests during meetings?" - everyone does this, as far as I know, during teh rules review/interpretation portion of meetings. I am asking more about actual testing.

Comments?

Camron Rust Tue Nov 07, 2006 03:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkeii
I have noticed over the years people referring to the current year's version of the NFHS tests. In PA, in my area (Erie), none of the chapters I know of require anyone to retest regularly. We pass the test the first time, and as long as you stay an active official according to PIAA rules (Attend a yearly rules meeting and 6 chapter meetings, pay dues), you never have to retest.

How many places require people to retake the test, by state rule or by association rule? I think it would be very beneficial, as the number of officials I worked with in other sports this year that messed up simple rules this year stood out in comparison to my last 7 years of officiating. I do Soccer, Swimming, and Basketball.

Also, I'm not looking for "Do you use questions from tests during meetings?" - everyone does this, as far as I know, during teh rules review/interpretation portion of meetings. I am asking more about actual testing.

Comments?
Oregon requires every official working JV or higher to pass the test every year. If you don't pass, you don't work those games. Of course, most associations work with officials that are struggling to get them to a passing level.

Jerry Blum Tue Nov 07, 2006 03:50pm
No we don't have to retake the part one test yearly. However, in order to be eligible to officiate in the tournaments we must take the Part II exam every year.

This is in Indiana.

JRutledge Tue Nov 07, 2006 04:10pm
I guess I do not completely understand what you mean by "retake" the test yearly. In my state we have to take the Part 1 for the current year. We take it once and if you pass it or not will be based on if you keep your license or go on probation (or suspension). We do not retake that test in the same year. The only test we will never have to take again if we get to the top promotion level is the Part 2 Exam.

Peace

drinkeii Tue Nov 07, 2006 05:08pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge
I guess I do not completely understand what you mean by "retake" the test yearly. In my state we have to take the Part 1 for the current year. We take it once and if you pass it or not will be based on if you keep your license or go on probation (or suspension). We do not retake that test in the same year. The only test we will never have to take again if we get to the top promotion level is the Part 2 Exam.

Peace
Considering our state only requires us to take it once, pass, and then we don't have to ever take it again, take another exam again, regardless of what year it is in our officiating career. So the last basketball test I took was 6 years ago. The last swimming and soccer tests were 8 years ago. We have no requirement to take any test on a yearly basis. Attend a rules meeting (no testing involved) and 6 chapter meetings, pay state and association dues, and that's it.

JRutledge Tue Nov 07, 2006 05:26pm
Either way it goes, when you say "retake" it is suggestive that you have to take the same exact test over and over again. We have to take a test every year, but it is not the same test from the previous year. What you should have asked (I hate to tell you what you should have done), “Do you take a rules test every year?” That would have made more since in reality.

I have made it very public that I am not for taking tests to prove to anyone you know the rules. I would think that at least taking the test gets you into a discussion with other officials to go over the rules and debate what they are asking. I just think you can do this outside of having to take a test as well, which is very common where I live.

Peace

drinkeii Tue Nov 07, 2006 05:41pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge
Either way it goes, when you say "retake" it is suggestive that you have to take the same exact test over and over again. We have to take a test every year, but it is not the same test from the previous year. What you should have asked (I hate to tell you what you should have done), “Do you take a rules test every year?” That would have made more since in reality.

I have made it very public that I am not for taking tests to prove to anyone you know the rules. I would think that at least taking the test gets you into a discussion with other officials to go over the rules and debate what they are asking. I just think you can do this outside of having to take a test as well, which is very common where I live.

Peace
Sorry - it is just to me that since we only take it once and are "certified" for the rest of our lives, as long as we meet the other requirements, taking any test again for the same sport to me is being retested.

I do agree with the other points.

JRutledge Tue Nov 07, 2006 05:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkeii
Sorry - it is just to me that since we only take it once and are "certified" for the rest of our lives, as long as we meet the other requirements, taking any test again for the same sport to me is being retested.
I guess you have to the right to call it what you like. But when you "retake" something you are doing it over again. In my state we take a different test every single year.

Oh well.:rolleyes:

Peace

drinkeii Tue Nov 07, 2006 06:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge
I guess you have to the right to call it what you like. But when you "retake" something you are doing it over again. In my state we take a different test every single year.

Oh well.:rolleyes:

Peace
As I recall, from year to year, a large number of the NFHS questions are recycled. So it isn't a completely different test.

Oh well...

Smitty Tue Nov 07, 2006 06:53pm
It's like watching a game of Pong.

Mr. Rinke sure seems to need to get the last word in....

truerookie Wed Nov 08, 2006 07:52am
Part 2 yearly

tjones1 Wed Nov 08, 2006 08:36am
Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkeii
As I recall, from year to year, a large number of the NFHS questions are recycled. So it isn't a completely different test.

Oh well...
There are a few that are recycled. I believe the NFHS sees the testing results. Therefore, the NFHS recycles based on the number that were commonly missed. Also, I noticed a few questions appear on this years Part I from the previous years Part II. Then again, you can only write so many questions year in and year out.

dblref Wed Nov 08, 2006 08:52am
Regarding re-test, VA used to play A & AA girls BB in the fall (AAA was in the winter). You took Part I in August to be qualified for fall ball, and did not have to take it again for the remainder of the year. If you took Part I and failed, you could not do fall ball and had to wait to take Part II in early November. If you took Part I and passed, but did not like your score, you could take Part II and "hope" for a higher score. However, if you took Part II and got a lower score, you were stuck with that score.

All_Heart Wed Nov 08, 2006 08:53am
Georgia requires you to get an 85 or higher in order to officiate Varsity. This is a new requirement this year and it will be interesting to see how many varsity officials don't get an 85 and if GHSA inforces it.

dblref Wed Nov 08, 2006 08:56am
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Originally Posted by All_Heart
Georgia requires you to get an 85 or higher in order to officiate Varsity. This is a new requirement this year and it will be interesting to see how many varsity officials don't get an 85 and if GHSA inforces it.
My association requires 70 to pass, 85 to do varsity, and 90 to do playoffs. Truth be known, we have, on occassions, had officials do these levels without the necessary score.


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